I just joined, I find the Schliemann to be a very interesting line, a friend of mine played it all the time against me- if you cant beat 'em, join 'em as the saying goes! :) I am especially interested in the line 4) Nc3 4.. N-d4!!, and what is the best way for white to handle black's N-d4? (Bc4, Ba5?) etc...
Schliemann Gambit group/discussion
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BeatleFred wrote:
I just joined, I find the Schliemann to be a very interesting line, a friend of mine played it all the time against me- if you cant beat 'em, join 'em as the saying goes! :) I am especially interested in the line 4) Nc3 4.. N-d4!!, and what is the best way for white to handle black's N-d4? (Bc4, Ba5?) etc...
I am making a forum on mainline Nc3 today with detailed coverage so if it is mainline or a known sideline it will be posted if not make a diagram asking about it and we will anylize and answer.
The Schliemann/ Jaenisch is primarily a DRAWING weapon for Black, as a matter of fact white may effectively force a draw in half a dozen ways.
The only good answer to 4.Nc3 is (naturally) 4...fxe4 5.Nxe4 Nf6! but feel free to examine everything else if you have time to waste...
kco wrote:
"Gambit" ?
Yes, the terminology is correct. Black sacrifises a pawn in several lines.
pfren wrote:
The Schliemann/ Jaenisch is primarily a DRAWING weapon for Black, as a matter of fact white may effectively force a draw in half a dozen ways.
The only good answer to 4.Nc3 is (naturally) 4...fxe4 5.Nxe4 Nf6! but feel free to examine everything else if you have time to waste...
I agree, it is drawn in many lines often by force. But it is fun to learn and if white dosn't know the opening there are tons of pitfalls for him so it seems for under master level it is drawing/winning. Either way the lines are fun, and I know what I am doing with it, some openings I don't.
pfren wrote:
The Schliemann/ Jaenisch is primarily a DRAWING weapon for Black, as a matter of fact white may effectively force a draw in half a dozen ways.
The only good answer to 4.Nc3 is (naturally) 4...fxe4 5.Nxe4 Nf6! but feel free to examine everything else if you have time to waste...
You seem to know a lot about it. Would you mind joining and helping us learn it?
The real trouble with the old 5...d5 line (which I have played several times OTB) is 9.Nxa7+(!)
A lot of material on it is at Ivan Sokolov's "Ruy Lopez Revisited" book.
At ΟΤΒ play such greediness is dangerous, but it seems (from CC practice) that white can get away with this being a pawn up, and Black has to defend an unpleasant ending.
5...Nf6 is n active, reliable, sound gambit, but not terribly ambitious- in reality Black plays for a draw.
I love the
Schlieman Gambit (C63)
in responce to the roy lopez
and it gives black such good chances to win, and I think at worst black draws with proper play. Also the roy lopez players expect a positional game and are taken way out of their preperation.
(1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5!?)
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/C63_Ruy_Lopez_Schliemann_Defense
I also noticed there were over 3000 master games with it, including many by world champions, and yet there was no active group that supported/anylized it. (there was 1 group with 7 people, 1 year old with no notes or forums).
So I made the group:
Schliemann/Jaenisch Players
The link is here, anyone is welcome to join:
http://www.chess.com/groups/home/schliemannjaenisch-players
Day 1 and we have 6 people, are very active, and are extencively anylizing the opening in a fun way. (3 forums with many diagrams and comments by more than 1 person)
I am sure we could add it to our tournement retribire soon!
This group will grow very fast (I have run other groups before and know how to make them grow)
If you like gambits, the roy lopez, the Schliemann, and want to discuss it with us, or learn more, or just have a friendly active home to discuss chess, here is the place to be!
CLICK HERE to join this group now!
Also, when we do vote chess/team matches, we wont spam you, we do it to learn and for the good of the team.