Sicilian Defense Dragon Variation

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sanju1996

Is Playing e6 In Dragon Variation Not Suitable?

AdorableMogwai

I'd like to know a detailed answer to this question as well. I know in general that g6 and e6 don't go together because e6 then weakens some critical dark squares. However there seem to be some situations, such as in the Grand Prix attack, where it's sound and recommended to play g6 and e6 together. So I'm kind of confused about it too. I mean after playing g6 are you then supposed to just leave your e-pawn where it is until the endgame?

baddogno

No expert here guys, but I do know how to work the opening explorer! Laughing An early e6 takes you into the Scheviningen instead of the Dragon, but it looks as though you reserve the push of the e pawn until and unless you need to go e5.  The line I looked at white was trying to trade DSBs and the e5 push thwarts that, so maybe it's a tempo thing?  Now the 3 of us can wait for someone who knows what they're doing to "unmuddy" the waters.  Shouldn't have had that second cup of coffee....

Mainline_Novelty

NEVER PLAY BOTH ...E6 AND ...G6 IN AN OPEN SICILIAN. EVER. 

EDIT : At least not in early in the opening, once d6 ceases to be a potential issue, it may well ne fine, as ItsEoin points out Tongue Out

AdorableMogwai

What do you do with your e pawn in a Sicilian Dragon then, leave it on e7 until the endgame?

Regarding the when it's ok to play g6 with e6 issue, I found what Matt Pullin who runs the GreenCastleBlock youtube channel said about it.

"The combination of ..e6 and ..g6 on the surface weakens a lot of squares but actually it's quite a good setup... against the Grand Prix, Closed Sicilian, Anti-Sicilians, etc.  The only time the weakness of ..e6+..g6 can really be exposed is in an Open sicilian where White is playing d4 and opening lines in the center, specifically Black's d-file is an issue."

Mainline_Novelty
AdorableMogwai wrote:

What do you do with your e pawn in a Sicilian Dragon then, leave it on e7 until the endgame?

More or less. Ok, never was a bit extreme, but it's only playable really in positions where d6 isn't an issue, ex. 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.0-0-0 d5 10.Qe1 and now 10...e6, or 9.g4 e6!?, preparing ...d5. And sometimes in the Soltis Variation, when White sacks fifty pawns and an exchange on the Kingside, Black needs to consolidate by playing ...e6 and ...Qf6. But in general, yeah, ...e6 is a bad idea in a Dragon.

ItsEoin
Mainline_Novelty wrote:

NEVER PLAY BOTH ...E6 AND ...G6 IN AN OPEN SICILIAN. EVER. 

In the Scheveningen, there are lots of times where Black will fianchetto his Bishop with g6 + Bg7 as a defensive measure. There a few other situations in which I've ended up playing e6 + g6 (however ugly it feels). Not the Dragon, though, I'll grant you that.

BattleManager

Not usually, but in the line 9.0-0-0 with 10.Qe1, 10...e6 is one of the main lines i think, and sometimes e6 can be played with the intention of bringing the queen to f6 to aid the defense of the kingside. But it's rare.

sanju1996

I Had just started playing dragon variation and i really found it very good defense for black as it gives possible counter attacking chance!

 

but 2 weeks before i had 2 games in tournament which i both lost as black after playing dragon, in first game i had played e6 which was soon captured by white's queen after 0-0-0 and i never recovered after that.. n then in 2nd game i thought i won't push the e pawn thus there was forced mate in 17th move :(

GrahaMasterBuckner

BattleManager wrote:

Not usually, but in the line 9.0-0-0 with 10.Qe1, 10...e6 is one of the main lines i think, and sometimes e6 can be played with the intention of bringing the queen to f6 to aid the defense of the kingside. But it's rare.

The mainline to this variation (which I believe is called the Sicilian dragon-yugoslav attack:rauser variation?) after 10.Qe1 is actually an immediate 10...d5, pressuring the knight to move, then white generally exchanges with Nxc6, bxc6, 12.exd5 Nxd5 13.Bc4 Be6 and white will want to play g4 at some point to begin a kingside attack

Sid31

If you are playing e6 I take it you are preparing d5 (A) or trying to blunt the a2-g8 diagonal (B).

(A) If you play e6, to support d5, then if your opponent chooses to (which he probably will) he can force you to take back with your e-pawn giving you an IQP which is unadvisable.

(B) If you play e6 to blunt the a2-g8 diagonal then you are actually creating more weaknesses for white to attack-in an open position and due to the nature of black's position it is quite easy for white to attack it and for black to be successful he must attack as fast as he can on the  queenside.

You guys mentioned about e6 in the grandprix attack being good- this is much different as black is not as easy to attack so he has time and e6 also isn't so easy to attack-it in fact is a prophylactic move against f5. The other reason e6 is fine in the grandprix attack is because the position is closed and so the d-pawn isn't vulnerable. 

I have played the dragon until I was about 1700 but just when I turned 13 and as I moved into open tournaments I found that it would be useful to look into the intricacies if the najdorf as you can learn a lot by studying openings like this and this has improved my grade to 1900 Fide in 6 months.