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benonidoni

On the server I play the dragon as black all the time and once in a while I'll get the comment that its a weak opening for black. Totally bogus. Fun, easy to learn opening that gives black lots of wins and draws at the club level.


White often assumes he can trade bishops and queen rook mate down the H file which is incorrect. G2-g4, and H2-H4 pawn storms just dont always work for white in this opening as many believe.

Gwain Jones (spelled wrong) 2 volume set was really an enjoyable set to read and taught me a lot about not just the dragon but openings in general. Was nice to play something other than the najdorf all of the time.

NimzoPatzer
benonidoni escribió:

On the server I play the dragon as black all the time and once in a while I'll get the comment that its a weak opening for black. Totally bogus. Fun, easy to learn opening that gives black lots of wins and draws at the club level.


White often assumes he can trade bishops and queen rook mate down the H file which is incorrect. G2-g4, and H2-H4 pawn storms just dont always work for white in this opening as many believe.

Gwain Jones (spelled wrong) 2 volume set was really an enjoyable set to read and taught me a lot about not just the dragon but openings in general. Was nice to play something other than the najdorf all of the time.

Ikr, learning Soltis lines that go up to move 25 just to get an equal game is so fun!!! I love it!

KingMourad
NimzoPatzer wrote:
benonidoni escribió:

On the server I play the dragon as black all the time and once in a while I'll get the comment that its a weak opening for black. Totally bogus. Fun, easy to learn opening that gives black lots of wins and draws at the club level.


White often assumes he can trade bishops and queen rook mate down the H file which is incorrect. G2-g4, and H2-H4 pawn storms just dont always work for white in this opening as many believe.

Gwain Jones (spelled wrong) 2 volume set was really an enjoyable set to read and taught me a lot about not just the dragon but openings in general. Was nice to play something other than the najdorf all of the time.

Ikr, learning Soltis lines that go up to move 25 just to get an equal game is so fun!!! I love it!

If you like those positions, then yes, it is very fun

Spectator94

This is what I have to say about the Dragon: https://www.chess.com/blog/Spectator94/is-the-sicilian-dragon-refuted

Coincidentally I played a neat OTB Dragon game last weekend:


 

benonidoni
Spectator94 wrote:

This is what I have to say about the Dragon: https://www.chess.com/blog/Spectator94/is-the-sicilian-dragon-refuted

Coincidentally I played a neat OTB Dragon game last weekend:

 


 

Yup!!! One of your examples in the topolov taking the BxA7 is very poor. There are stronger moves for white!!!

slowdeath22

If you analyse it very deeply with a good engine, you will find that it is winning for white. But at a first glance, most engines will give equality.

gchess33
slowdeath22 wrote:

If you analyse it very deeply with a good engine, you will find that it is winning for white. But at a first glance, most engines will give equality.

Define "very deeply." Research?

LalappanStrikes
slowdeath22 wrote:

If you analyse it very deeply with a good engine, you will find that it is winning for white. But at a first glance, most engines will give equality.

No human can be good like engine.(Exception: Carlsen,Naka,Fabi etc...)

gchess33
LalappanStrikes wrote:
slowdeath22 wrote:

If you analyse it very deeply with a good engine, you will find that it is winning for white. But at a first glance, most engines will give equality.

No human can be good like engine.(Exception: Carlsen,Naka,Fabi etc...)

Even engines have their limitations. For example many use opening books based off of lines created by humans.

LalappanStrikes

But players in his level are no good.If he is atleast a 2300, we can think about it....Undecided

Telemir

I play the dragon and rather well at that. I tend to not use theory so much, but my own brain. Here is my take on the "unbreakable position" which I have studied quite a bit.

 
Qa5 prevents b3 and without that white's fortress is not nearly quite so solid.
NimzoPatzer

I thought 12.h4 was the test to the Orthodox Dragon with Bd7 and Rc8...

 

NimzoPatzer
pfren escribió:
NimzoPatzer wrote:

I thought 12.h4 was the test to the Orthodox Dragon with Bd7 and Rc8...

 

No it isn't.

 

@ Telemir: 15.Nd5?! throws away white's advantage. After 15.Nb3 or 15.g5 things aren't rosy for Black.

Then what is the most testing move?

But most importantly, how do you stay updated on the theory?

BlunderLots

The Dragon seems to be less popular because it tends to give away black's plans a bit early.

Compare that with a Najdorf, where black's intentions remain hidden for a bit longer, and the ability switch to one of many variations, depending on white's attack.

Still, the Dragon's a potent defense—the drawback, though, is that white tends to have a relatively easy first half of the game, just throwing out their "auto-pilot" attack against it (the Yugoslav).

poucin
NimzoPatzer a écrit :
pfren escribió:
NimzoPatzer wrote:

I thought 12.h4 was the test to the Orthodox Dragon with Bd7 and Rc8...

 

No it isn't.

 

@ Telemir: 15.Nd5?! throws away white's advantage. After 15.Nb3 or 15.g5 things aren't rosy for Black.

Then what is the most testing move?

But most importantly, how do you stay updated on the theory?

a good way to stay updated is just to read and to read well...

gchess33
jengaias wrote:
BlunderLots wrote:

The Dragon seems to be less popular because it tends to give away black's plans a bit early.

Compare that with a Najdorf, where black's intentions remain hidden for a bit longer, and the ability switch to one of many variations, depending on white's attack.

Still, the Dragon's a potent defense—the drawback, though, is that white tends to have a relatively easy first half of the game, just throwing out their "auto-pilot" attack against it (the Yugoslav).

Yeah , noone knows what Black wants to do in Najdorf.It is afterall the less deeply analysed variation in Sicilian but  what's the plan that Dragon gives away too early?

Enlighten us please.

Well, an exchange sacrifice on c3 is a rather common idea. Usually Black attacks the queenside.

gchess33
jengaias wrote:
gchess33 wrote:
jengaias wrote:
BlunderLots wrote:

The Dragon seems to be less popular because it tends to give away black's plans a bit early.

Compare that with a Najdorf, where black's intentions remain hidden for a bit longer, and the ability switch to one of many variations, depending on white's attack.

Still, the Dragon's a potent defense—the drawback, though, is that white tends to have a relatively easy first half of the game, just throwing out their "auto-pilot" attack against it (the Yugoslav).

Yeah , noone knows what Black wants to do in Najdorf.It is afterall the less deeply analysed variation in Sicilian but  what's the plan that Dragon gives away too early?

Enlighten us please.

Well, an exchange sacrifice on c3 is a rather common idea. Usually Black attacks the queenside.

The exchange sacrifice on c3 appears in many lines .

But that is just one of the many ways Black has to attack.In many games Black won , there was  never a sacrifice on c3.

That's especially true in the g3 lines.

SuirenBoid

I simply stopped playing the dragon as it is too much on a knife edge for me, no terribly enjoyable to play, I couldnt help thinking that someone had cooked something up over the board, plus in all my years playing it I only ever got a handful of Bc4 Yugos anyway

BlunderLots
jengaias wrote:

Yeah , noone knows what Black wants to do in Najdorf.It is afterall the less deeply analysed variation in Sicilian but  what's the plan that Dragon gives away too early?

Enlighten us please.

After 5...a6, Black can go into an ...e5 Najdorf, an ...e6 Scheveningen, a ...b5 Polugaevsky, or even a ...g6 "Drago-dorf"...

Here, at least, black's hand has yet to be fully tipped.

While, after 5...g6, Black can go into ... well, the Dragon.

Not that the Dragon's bad at all, but it does clarify things right away. White players can (and often do) go: "Dragon? Okay. Yugoslav auto-pilot, engaged."

poucin

i don't see the problem showing your plan soon.

At least, u know what u are doing (i guess).