slav doesn't work against London
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hello,
I was so close to creating my perpetual repertuare such Caro-Kann, Slav and English opening.
Unlucky! Slav agaist London is so dull ;(
What you guys play against London?
Mar 16, 2023
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PanTymekPan wrote:
What you guys play against London?
KID (King's Indian Defense).
Doesn't a "perpetual repertoire" get a bit ... same-ish... after a while?
I usually play the copycat london for the first moves. works well
Mar 16, 2023
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I play either Kings Indian or Nf6-c5-Qb6 setup, saw it from Agadmators video and at my level the opponents crumble pretty fast from agression.
blueemu wrote:
PanTymekPan wrote:
What you guys play against London?
KID (King's Indian Defense).
Doesn't a "perpetual repertoire" get a bit ... same-ish... after a while?
Nope, I find myself best at narrow schemes but I am looking for answer such: "Slav vs. London exist". I want to listen just how. I am refusing adding anything else, I just want to know the branch of Slav to concure with. Maybe Semi-Slav but what line?!
Yes, in someone else optics that what I am playing is under-esteem level. I don't mind - I must get by in front of a chessboard.
pp
Mar 16, 2023
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Please show a variation or two that you don't like playing "Slav vs. London".
PanTymekPan wrote: What you guys play against London?
It is incredible, after that black's already DOWN over half. My dream about effective SLAV vs. LONDON is gone?
"TheDarkKnightShow" - Hold on, I will. I must just look up my disaster games of it.
Mar 17, 2023
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PanTymekPan wrote:
It is incredible, after that black's already MINUS over half. My dream about effective SLAV vs. LONDON is gone?
"TheDarkKnightShow" - Hold on, I will. I must just look up my disaster games of it.
I might create a youtube video on this topic soon! 
5 days ago
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#14
Here's how you deal with the London via the Slav. For d4/d5 I used to play this, where a London isn't very good at all:
This is called the Krause:
Then against the accelerated I'd play something like:
Even though this was more fun, I realized I was giving the London player more than they deserved. The kingside is shakey in the accelerated line. The Krause is a sharp line that really pairs with the Austrian attack, not the Slav.
Begrudgingly I switched back to this line. While it is a good line, it is the most common response to the London. Very overplayed which I don't like. But black is scoring well and it's the really best option-
You can transpose to the same line via the accelerated.
For avoiding boredom / pressuring the player / scoring well, that's honestly the best solution available via d4/d5.
Eventually I switched to the English Defense, which is reached via the Horwitz move order. That completely solved London problem. You get an immediate attack that's more powerful than the other one, and not as common -
And for the standard london, it either just flat out fails immediately -
Or after c3 there's this interesting dutch position that, surprisingly, the engine likes because c3 has been played and d5 has not been-
It's no longer resembles a london. Often it'll become a stonewall, but one where black is up a tempo. Often the knight will trade off the bishop, and at that point you have a good kingside attacking game.
That solution could work for a triangle or semi-slav repertoire. Not just a slav though.
I've known others who went for the slav-indian move order. This allows for some interesting options against the London, but it means you cannot play any of the early slav gambits, which are some of its best lines, so I never went with this but if your goal was just a semi-slav you could do this:
That line ends in a draw with best play.
Then I'd play this against the c3 move order to just prevent a London:
The London is the death of chess so it's worth going to these lengths in my mind.
4 days ago
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#15
@crazedrat1000 you should consider 3.c3 instead of 3.Bf4 for your first two lines
4 days ago
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#16
After cxd4 cxd4 that transposes into the slav exchange, so not an issue in a slav repertoire but worth mentioning. Infact that is one argument for pairing the Krause with the slav.
Slav exchange is another reason I gave up the slav though.
2 days ago
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#18
Another day, another London player down...
Yes he could have played a3, but he didn't
