So?? You bought yet another Opening book?

What everyone needs is a good opening reference encyclopedia and maybe a few specialty opening books focusing on their favorites. It's good to have an understanding of many openings but I don't think you can have in depth knowledge of every opening line that ever existed without your game suffering in some way. You will probably never see 75% or more of the variants and sub variants of all the openings in ECO so you waste time studying them when you should be focusing primarily on the most common lines that you will encounter. Knowledge that you will never use is useless knowledge. It's like getting a doctorate in a subject that has little or no practical application in the real world. You spend loads of time and money getting it but for what purpose? 

 

So you missed the point! I object to being called a retard and the assumption that I am "mindlessly worrying" about stuff.

Bad bishop chill out he was just sharing interesting material that he found I find it very useful to see just little things about the opening. and I hardly believe that fabror would cheat he is one of the most respectable chess.com members at the moment because he always has nice things to say (also he shares my love for the latvian).Also you clearly missed the point Fabror is going the opposite way "the opening knowledge needed up until master level could easily be written on a postage stamp" he said that.

 

 

 

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rexbo wrote:

Bad bishop chill out he was just sharing interesting material that he found I find it very useful to see just little things about the opening. and I hardly believe that fabror would cheat he is one of the most respectable chess.com members at the moment because he always has nice things to say (also he shares my love for the latvian).Also you clearly missed the point Fabror is going the opposite way "the opening knowledge needed up until master level could easily be written on a postage stamp" he said that.

 

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Based on some of his posts in other threads, I'm guessing that Bad Bishop didn't miss Fabror's point; he just wanted to post something that would get him attention. Probably ignoring him is the safest course, but who knows? 

Bad__Bishop wrote: BirdBrain wrote:

f4 e5 fxe d6 exd Bxd Nf3 g5 d4 g4 Ng5?! after f5, the knight is trapped, and h6 kills the knight.  But imagine the attack that White can pull off with this attack...I can't remember the line move for move, but Soltis shows the line's potential for initiative in his book.  I normally played Larsen's g3 and Nh4 after g5-g4 in the Bird, but this Ng5 is definetely worth exploring, even if it is "refuted" - you would have to memorize the refutation as the Black player, and what if White found an interesting alternate move order that pulled you out of book?  lol

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Actually, that line isn't worth exploring. It's complete crap and Black is winning after 6.Ng5. After 6.Ne5, the position is dynamically about equal. White is up a pawn but his king cannot castle (after the obvious 6...Bxe5 7.dxe5 Qxd1) and Black has the bishop pair.

 The simple choice for White is to play the main line against the Lasker From (5.g3). White might be winning by force here, but at a minimum has excellent chances for the full point even against the most stubborn Black defense. ie; 5...g4 6.Nh4 Ne7 7.d4 Ng6 8.Nxg6 hxg6 9.Qd3 Nc6 10.c3 Bf5 11.e4 Qe7 12.Bg2 0-0-0 13.Be3! +/-

 

You don't need to be anywhere near a GM, as you naively suggest, to be able to exploit poor lines such as that.

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It's funny that you say the line is so refutable, yet you show no evidence of it being crap...If you would offer a magical line and prove to us that it is so bad, then we can call it bad...If you look in Taylor's book, the refutation takes well over ten moves, and since the line is "refuted" by GM's, then many club players won't even touch it.  So you dismiss a line that you say is junk.  Just like dismissing the Allgaier Gambit, or something else that is "junk"...in a speed chess game, the idea is an excellent sacrifice, and even in OTB, if Black does not know the lines, he can be in trouble early...but it is crap to you, why?  Have you ever faced it?  g3 may be the positional choice, but do a bit of homework and see that Pirc, a GM, won with that line many years back...

Chessquest, you only found the refutation since you studied it... and I don't believe that is the variation I was referring to, but since you want to get technical about it, yes, the line is refuted...but having never seen it before, you expect like magic to win against it...well, that is great.  I brought the idea out for people who want a surprise line, and if you read another one of my posts I will quote - "if you can refute the ideas, then great!"  The point is to play something new and fun.  And as far as playing speed chess, I don't often get the chance...I like to discuss ideas.  I'm glad you refuted the idea that I clearly stated earlier was refuted lol.  Makes a lot of sense to prove something I already stated. 

But I guess that is what seperates me and you in the chess world.  You always have to play what is right, and I have fun.  So if you don't like Ng5, don't play it...

Maybe you ought to have joined the Fred Defense tournament...maybe then you would learn the meaning of fun openings.  But I know, the Fred is refuted too :-).

So if you decide to criticize a line the next time I state it is refuted, at least acknowledge that I spoke that it was refuted- and mentioned playing it for fun. 

 But for fun, I will look at the line that you posted and "play" with it, and see if I can find any fun ideas for White.  We'll start with f5 e4 h6 and go from there, and see if I can find anything fun to play. 

Notice the key idea...fun! 

Okay, I came back today to see what kind of reply we had from yesterday about refuted lines, and I see the other people deleted their text... - So let's move on to other things. 

I guess the best part about opening books is seeing different ideas from different people.  I have a cool book about the Sveshnikov Sicilian, and I like the first chapter with the gxf6 lines and Rg8 ideas for Black.  I also have a book about the Philidor by Bauer that is really cool!  I get a couple of new ideas every once in a while from these books, even deep positional ones - like this one from Bauer's Play 1...b6 book - in the game where Andrew Martin plays 1...b6 and plays for a Hippopotamus formation - after White plays a4, Black should have continued with a6, so after White plays a5, then b5 (note that b6 has already been played).  So I take it almost for granted from Bauer that this is a successful plan for blocking the queenside.

As a matter of fact, he says most of the time it happens in this fashion: Black plays a6, planning b5, and so White plays a4 to stop the queenside expansion.  In response, Black now plays b6, so that b5 is slowly being prepared. 

So I gained some wisdom from purchasing a chess book.  Of course, lessons are a good idea too!  As a matter of fact, I used to train under Gavrikov on playchess.com, and he is not that expensive, around $20 a class, and he is a world-class GM - in '88, I think he tied for the USSR championship.

I Have A Lot Of Chess Books Too

most of the modern chess openings books with quality analysis are digitized here. More books coming soon.

Chess is just addicting in general lol

I figured at my rating, if I can have a few openings to truly Master.. may be the way to go.

So I’ve got my London course but have gone through one chapter in few weeks. 🙃

Making it my goal to eventually get through it all and then do Caro course before considering anything else.