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Heidrich

Does anyone have any recommended lines for white playing d4. I really do prefer closed and positional but anything with some kind of advantage of imbalance will work. Anything for white when black maybe plays QGD, QGA, KID, benoni, benko,grunfeld, albin counter, dutch, any variation pelase help thank you all!

helltank

Play the Closed Bongcloud:1.d4 d5 2.Kd2. It leads to slightly duller games than the Open Bongcloud, but there is less theory. The Dutch Bongcloud has hardly been glanced at at all; with a little bit of opening preparation you could surprise your opponent with a novelty. 

TonyH

for your level i would get starting out: d4 or attacking with d4 books and use those, they will give you some general plans for most mainlines.

when your more advanced there is the avrukh book that Pfen mentioned. Its a great book but really hard i would wait until your 1800 for that one.

boringidiot

check Gambit's new book by Watson.

I am very curious about this book, Watson always has a lot of good suggestions.

Heidrich

Any other book reccomondations? Also, Im not going to move Kd2 on the second move lol thank you though.

TonyH

soltis pawn structure chess to give you a general layout is also good

JasonGillard

Clearly Helltank is making light on the subject, with hillarious effect Laughing

(out of curiousity, what is are the lines for the Open  and Dutch Bongcloud)?

Back on topic...

I second the Catalan, nasty if not treated with respect, and well worth the investment of time.

I'm using d systems exclusively as white, and my fallback is the English Opening with bishop on g2. Whilst not a pure d system (1.c4) it's very reliable and can transpose into d system or Reti system lines easily if needed - highly recommended.

NimzoRoy

So I gather you've already mastered open and semi-open games? Regardless of what you prefer, according to the great GM Richard Reti you need to master open games before moving onto semi-open games, much less closed games.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0486233847/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1771006.Masters_Of_The_Chessboard

NimzoRoy

Maybe so, but they should at least have a clue before switcing to closed games. And even I don't think you need to be a super GM to play 1.d4. Maybe just being a mediocre GM is good enuff :=)

ChessisGood
Michael-G
Bankwell wrote:

LOL @ an IM recommending the Avrukh repertoire.  That's WAY above your pay grade.  You're out of your depth, and should probably try to remember your role.

Anyone who committed enough of his life to chess to go title chasing, but still ended up as an IM, needs to stick to the Colle and checkers.

Bankwell you really don't know what you are talking about.Pfren is not from the cases of players that commited themselves to chess.It's from the cases of players that didn't commit themselves to chess yet they manage to be IM.For all those that have average intelligence that means a lot.

     There were many talented players at 80's that had never the chance to commit themselves to chess and the reason is well known.To commit yourself to chess you need to have either a rich father or born in Moscow or ,if possible, both.You can't work 8 hours a day , have a family and commit yourself to chess and there is no job that allows you to regularly play in tournaments and  travel abroad.So it comes a point when you have to choose between chess and life.I had to give up chess when I was only 18 and I know many more that were not able to play chess because of their work.

    Those who have managed to be successful in their field and be also titled chess players should be admired even more than others that did nothing in their life except playing chess and only thing they achieve was to be below average grandmasters.   

    The talent and the value of a person is not measured by 2 letters that are in front of his name.

finalunpurez

@bankwell The world will be a better place if people like you learn to be nicer to others.

Kullat_Nunu

Here a possible repertoire for the 1.d4 player with optimistic comments:

QGD -> Karlsbad (Exchange Variation), Black has a hard time to defend against White's minority attack.

Slav Defence -> Exchange Variation. Although the position is somewhat symmetric White has an edge due to their extra tempo, and can often punish Black if they try to copy White's moves.

Albin's / Budapest Gambit -> Take the pawn and win the game. Just be aware of some traps Black can try, but avoiding them gives White an edge.

QGA -> For White the most unpleasant defence, because White typically gets a weak, isolated pawn on d4. It's not clear whether White's activity can compensate this disadvantage, so better study the theory behind the QGA carefully.

King's Indian -> Attack them with 4 pawns (c4+d4+e4+f4), and Black may end up in a cramped and hopeless position quickly.

Modern Benoni -> Only 3 pawns (d5+e4+f4) available to cause confusion and bad coordination amongst Black's pieces, but that's sufficient. As soon as you can advance your e-pawn to e5 you'll wonder how quickly Black's position becomes hopeless.

Old Benoni (...c5 & ...e5) -> Simply cramp their game by playing 2.d5!, Black will have no good means (lack of space) to undermine White's pawn chain (c4+d5+e4), and can only hope that White won't find the best continuations.

Dutch -> 2.h3 or 2.Bg5, both variations are perfect if you want to avoid the enormous amounts of theory of the Stonewall or the Leningrad Variation. Just stay away from Staunton's Gambit (2.e4?!), because Black has several ways to get the better position.

Grunfeld Defence -> One of very few hypermodern openings where White's pawn center can become critically weak, so better avoid playing too many pawns to the center. Instead fortify your d4-pawn with e3 and White should have a slight, but solid advantage.

Benkoe Gambit -> Black blunders a pawn for dubious compensation, and can only hope that White is unable to convert their extra pawn. Just take the pawn (cxb5, bxa6), then simplify the position (e3!, White shouldn't be afraid of Bxf1 because this helps simplifying the position, which is good because they have an extra pawn).

Nimzo Indian Defence -> Simply play 4.a3!, most often Black will give up their bishop pair (Bxc3+) and then Black has a hard time to keep the position closed. Clearly a variation which is good for White.

Other openings are played so rarely (Polish Defence 1...b5 or the Multi-Purpose Hippo-Defence: 1...g6) that playing natural development moves is sufficient for White to get an edge.

Hope you had a good laugh at my optimistic suggestions :)

OldHastonian
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TonyH

At this early stage start with simple and broad. I would recommend a notch or two below Avrukh books. (they are great but the explainations are tough and assume a base knowledge) You can not go wrong with them though but the digestion of the material is tougher. I would recommend some "starting out with books. Study Soltis pawn structure chess on the typical structures available in Queen pawn systems... after that grab Watsons book on d4 structures (mastering the openings) combine the 3 books and you have material to help you reach IM. 

TonyH
pfren wrote:

Bankwell, can you really tell between the Colle and checkers?

I am pretty sure you can't. 

I gotta start a Pfen Fan club! I love how he calls it like he sees it.

boringidiot

I think Bankwell has a good point. 

The thing about mastering 1.e4 is really highly hyped. If everyone answered it with Petroff, 1.e4 would b cosidered to be the dullest opening system available. Chess is chess, play 1.d4 is you believe it is your thing.

Forget about the Avruhk rep, undles you have several hours of study available every day. I have a feeling it is better to use that time to tactics or the edngame.

Michael-G

I don't think you understood.Pfren suggested a k-side fianketo set-up with delayed c4 "pretty much like Avrukh's recommended opening repertoire".

Nobody told him to read Avrukh books.On the contrary , the recommended system bypasses a lot of theory, it is based mostly on understanding and makes Avrukh's books needless.It was just a point of refference.Pfren never suggested highly analysed openings and "heavy" opening study to 1300 rated players.If he did, I would be the first to disagree with him. 

    Guys read carefully what the other posts say.Don't disagree to things that have never been said.

Stampnl

All the stupid trolling is what is sad about forums. Go out and troll in real life. This forum should be for serious people who don't leave their house.

Michael-G

You still don't understand , do you?Understanding has nothing to do with titles.There are IMs and NMs that have a GMs understanding in chess.But competitive chess needs much more than understanding and one of them is the ability to totally commit yourself for chess.It is almost impossible to have to go 8 hours to work every day and be a GM unless you have a work that provides  unlimited vacation and unlimited money(or you happen to have them).At 80's if you were born in countries like Greece , it was impossible to become GM.There were no GM norm tournaments here and that means you should travel and pay , travel and pay , travel and pay.Who could do that ?

             I will repeat ,many IMs  have a GM understanding and only the ignorants and the fools can't understand that.