Tackling Petrov's defense (the Russian game) - Chess Forums - Page 2

MisterOakwood

Apr 20, 2022

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swarminglocusts skrev:

MisterOakwood wrote:

swarminglocusts skrev:

Switch to d4, e4 is too drawish. Nc3 is a good option. The London system as white is a good option. In every opening look for the middle game plans that each side is going for. Stop their pawn breaks and attacks and make your own.

What are you talking about man? d4 scores more draw than e4 does. E4 tend to be way more unbalanced than d4.

In the last world championship how many games were won with e4 and how many ended up as draws?

Dude, you cant use one championship as a source. I'm talking millions of games from various databases and all suggest that d4 has more draws, less losses, and less wins.

IM pfren

Apr 20, 2022

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#22

You can always try to transpose the Petroff to a 4 knights with 3.Nc3.

Now after 3...Nc6 (3...Bb4 is also a decent move, where white can get the bishop pair and hope for a small advantage) you can get the 4K flavour that appeals to you.

I suggest the Glek (4.g3) which leads to interesting play after both 4...d5 and 4...Bc5, and the resulting positions are certainly not drawish.

And of course the same system can be used against 2...Nc6.

Aside 4.g3, I have a terrific score as white with the tricky 4.h3!?, but objectively speaking it should be equal with good play from Black.

MisterOakwood

Apr 20, 2022

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#23

pfren skrev:

You can always try to transpose the Petroff to a 4 knights with 3.Nc3.

Now after 3...Nc6 (3...Bb4 is also a decent move, where white can get the bishop pair and hope for a small advantage) you can get the 4K flavour that appeals to you.

I suggest the Glek (4.g3) which leads to interesting play after both 4...d5 and 4...Bc5, and the resulting positions are certainly not drawish.

And of course the same system can be used against 2...Nc6.

Aside 4.g3, I have a terrific score as white with the tricky 4.h3!?, but objectively speaking it should be equal with good play from Black.

The only line I recall from the glek is the reversed halloween gambit, which is supposed to be better than the regular halloween gambit since white cant play Ng3:

IM pfren

Apr 20, 2022

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#24

dzikus wrote:

duck_and_cover napisał:

#1 (the Cochrane) is crap.

I do not think so, white gets 2 pawns for the piece, keep black king in the centre and get pawn roll. Notice that Topalov draw against Kramnik in this line at Linares '99 and it was a classic time control, not any blitz or rapid (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1255554).

Original Cochrane (with 5.Bc4+ as the author used to play) was a crap. When Bronstein introduced the idea of 5.d4 and folllowing pawn storm with f4, e5 it appeared to be a playable line. Bronstein himself considered it not worse than 4.Nf3 or 3.d4

Topalov's 5.Nc3! is the only way to get a playable position. Objectively white is worse after 5...g6, but the position is quite playable.

5.d4 is the most common move by far, but after 5...c5! 5.dxc5 d5! 6.e5 Ng4! white's position is much worse: His pride (the compact big center) has been destroyed, and Black will start picking pawns back.

IM pfren

Apr 20, 2022

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#25

MisterOakwood wrote:

pfren skrev:

You can always try to transpose the Petroff to a 4 knights with 3.Nc3.

Now after 3...Nc6 (3...Bb4 is also a decent move, where white can get the bishop pair and hope for a small advantage) you can get the 4K flavour that appeals to you.

I suggest the Glek (4.g3) which leads to interesting play after both 4...d5 and 4...Bc5, and the resulting positions are certainly not drawish.

And of course the same system can be used against 2...Nc6.

Aside 4.g3, I have a terrific score as white with the tricky 4.h3!?, but objectively speaking it should be equal with good play from Black.

The only line I recall from the glek is the reversed halloween gambit, which is supposed to be better than the regular halloween gambit since white cant play Ng3:

Actually I have played this line as Black. It has no independent value, as after 4.g3 Nxe4!? 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Nc3 d4 white can play 7.Bg2, when there is nothing better than transposing to a normal Glek with 7...dxc3 8.bxc3 etc.

My opponent chose 7.Qe2!? dxc3 8.dxc3, aiming for Be3/d2 and possibly a quick queenside castling. I misplayed the position and ended up much worse, but I was lucky to draw.

MisterOakwood

Apr 20, 2022

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#26

pfren skrev:

MisterOakwood wrote:

pfren skrev:

You can always try to transpose the Petroff to a 4 knights with 3.Nc3.

Now after 3...Nc6 (3...Bb4 is also a decent move, where white can get the bishop pair and hope for a small advantage) you can get the 4K flavour that appeals to you.

I suggest the Glek (4.g3) which leads to interesting play after both 4...d5 and 4...Bc5, and the resulting positions are certainly not drawish.

And of course the same system can be used against 2...Nc6.

Aside 4.g3, I have a terrific score as white with the tricky 4.h3!?, but objectively speaking it should be equal with good play from Black.

The only line I recall from the glek is the reversed halloween gambit, which is supposed to be better than the regular halloween gambit since white cant play Ng3:

Actually I have played this line as Black. It has no independent value, as after 4.g3 Nxe4!? 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Nc3 d4 white can play 7.Bg2, when there is nothing better than transposing to a normal Glek with 7...dxc3 8.bxc3 etc.

Sounds like a more safe alternative. I only remember watching some grandmaster game in the line that got insane quite quickly. Never played it or against it myself.

EKAFC

Apr 20, 2022

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#27

I only like the Petroff if it is a Stafford. Otherwise, I absolutely hate it

FM blank0923

Apr 20, 2022

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#28

pfren wrote:

You can always try to transpose the Petroff to a 4 knights with 3.Nc3.

Now after 3...Nc6 (3...Bb4 is also a decent move, where white can get the bishop pair and hope for a small advantage) you can get the 4K flavour that appeals to you.

I suggest the Glek (4.g3) which leads to interesting play after both 4...d5 and 4...Bc5, and the resulting positions are certainly not drawish.

And of course the same system can be used against 2...Nc6.

Aside 4.g3, I have a terrific score as white with the tricky 4.h3!?, but objectively speaking it should be equal with good play from Black.

Speaking of rook pawn pushes, I have dabbled with 4.a3 in blitz with decent results. Seen Wei Yi play it in some speed chess championship if I recall correctly

FM blank0923

Apr 20, 2022

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#29

pfren wrote:

The line 6.Nxf7 Qe7!? 7.Qe2 Qxf7 8.f3 Ndf6 is quite complex, and certainly enough not "a forced draw".

Of course 6...Kxf7+ 7.Qh5+ etc is a draw.

I cannot call myself an expert on the Petroff, so please correct me if I am wrong. But it seems Black is taking some unnecessary risks after 9.Nd2 Qh5 10.fxe4 Bg4 11.Qe3?

IM pfren

Apr 20, 2022

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#30

blank0923 wrote:

pfren wrote:

You can always try to transpose the Petroff to a 4 knights with 3.Nc3.

Now after 3...Nc6 (3...Bb4 is also a decent move, where white can get the bishop pair and hope for a small advantage) you can get the 4K flavour that appeals to you.

I suggest the Glek (4.g3) which leads to interesting play after both 4...d5 and 4...Bc5, and the resulting positions are certainly not drawish.

And of course the same system can be used against 2...Nc6.

Aside 4.g3, I have a terrific score as white with the tricky 4.h3!?, but objectively speaking it should be equal with good play from Black.

Speaking of rook pawn pushes, I have dabbled with 4.a3 in blitz with decent results. Seen Wei Yi play it in some speed chess championship if I recall correctly

Both 4.a3 and 5.h3 (Giri) are quite playable. I think that after 5...d5 against both Black has few problems, if any.

I prefer 4.h3 as after 4...g6 5.d4 exd4 6.Nxd4 Bg7 7.Nxc6 bxc6 8.Bc4 and the eventual Qf3 the position is a reversed Glek where the move h3 is extremely useful- while after 4.a3 the move 4...g6 is just fine for Black.

IM pfren

Apr 20, 2022

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#31

blank0923 wrote:

pfren wrote:

The line 6.Nxf7 Qe7!? 7.Qe2 Qxf7 8.f3 Ndf6 is quite complex, and certainly enough not "a forced draw".

Of course 6...Kxf7+ 7.Qh5+ etc is a draw.

I cannot call myself an expert on the Petroff, so please correct me if I am wrong. But it seems Black is taking some unnecessary risks after 9.Nd2 Qh5 10.fxe4 Bg4 11.Qe3?

9...Bb4!? is a suggested novelty, obviously with a quick ...0-0 in mind, but I can't recall the origin right now.

AFAIK so far unplayed, but the silicon idiot approves the move.

swarminglocusts

Apr 20, 2022

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#32

MisterOakwood wrote:

swarminglocusts skrev:

MisterOakwood wrote:

swarminglocusts skrev:

Switch to d4, e4 is too drawish. Nc3 is a good option. The London system as white is a good option. In every opening look for the middle game plans that each side is going for. Stop their pawn breaks and attacks and make your own.

What are you talking about man? d4 scores more draw than e4 does. E4 tend to be way more unbalanced than d4.

Championships are often where new theories are developed and the game is advanced or in other cases some opening lines lead to draws. Caruanna vs. Magnus was the same story. Once again how many wins vs draws did e4 e5 lead to?

In the last world championship how many games were won with e4 and how many ended up as draws?

Dude, you cant use one championship as a source. I'm talking millions of games from various databases and all suggest that d4 has more draws, less losses, and less wins.