I think 2.d3 is fine, just no miracle cure for the disease of having to think in chess!
take the french player out of their comfort zone!
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Nov 10, 2018
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#23
Laskersnephew wrote:
I think 2.d3 is fine, just no miracle cure for the disease of having to think in chess!
Indeed.
Laskersnephew wrote:
I think 2.d3 is fine, just no miracle cure for the disease of having to think in chess!
completly agree with that
The game is hard! Sometimes I wonder why we love it
I never said Black is better , I said it's a positional nightmare and the last line anyone would want to suggest to get Black "out of his comfort zone". The chances are that white will be the one out of his comfort zone.
and if white plays these positions correct, it might get a tactical nightmare for black.
my experoence is that black players up to 2100 arent really familiar with these kind of positions, because rarely someone plays it. both players should be accurate, one mistake by white and he doesn't get his opportunities to attack on the kingside, one mistake by black and an sacrifice on h6, e6 or d5 will decide the game. It is difficult to play for both sides, like the king's indian defense. you should know a lot about the position and calculate very accurately.
Nov 10, 2018
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improveinchess1 wrote:
my experoence is that black players up to 2100 arent really familiar with these kind of positions, because rarely someone plays it. both players should be accurate, one mistake by white and he doesn't get his opportunities to attack on the kingside, one mistake by black and an sacrifice on h6, e6 or d5 will decide the game. It is difficult to play for both sides, like the king's indian defense. you should know a lot about the position and calculate very accurately.
"It is difficult to play for both sides"
The prosecution wins, guilty as charged. Sentence: 3 years of the Exchange Variation
I took the title of this article as a bit of hyperbole, to attract attention to the article. There's nothing wrong with that.
To some extent there is truth that the KIA will take some players out of their comfort zone. I'm a French player. When I first started playing the French I studied lines such as the Winawer and the Tarrasch, what I perceived as main lines. When confronted with the KIA I wasn't sure what to do.
To a veteran French player the KIA is just another line but it will indeed take many players out of their comfort zone.
If you want to stay in your comfort zone, don't play chess. Trying to figure out the best move is hard work!
And to take rhe average forum participant out of their comfort zone, post a sign that says "NO WHINE"
Tough to choose. Emmanuel was better looking and a much greater player, but Edward got rich and lived to 95! And he had that great game against Sir George Thomas!
That's an interesting line. I noticed it is not played at master level. It seems that black's best bet is to accept an IQP position such as 1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Be3 c5 4. exd5 exd5
5. d4 Nc6 6. Nf3 cxd4 7. Bxd4 Nf6
markkoso wrote:
That's an interesting line. I noticed it is not played at master level. It seems that black's best bet is to accept an IQP position such as 1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Be3 c5 4. exd5 exd5
5. d4 Nc6 6. Nf3 cxd4 7. Bxd4 Nf6
do you mean this opening?
OP is getting attacked by all sides in this thread. I think he should have mentioned the rating range where the french players are likely to be out of comfort zone with KIA. Below 1600? Below 1800? Below 2000? Below 2200?
I think french players below 2100 are likely to be taken out of their comfort zone by KIA. Of course, KIA player also has to prepare more as he starts playing higher ranked players.
What I found interesting about this thread is the good info about french vs KIA. If some poster had started a thread asking help to play French vs KIA, I think the thread would have been ignored. But, since the thread claims to confuse the French player, it has garnered good info. So, sensationalism works!
I think the best way to take French player out of his comfort zone is to play non-e4 opening. Really good french players(2100 rating) are likely to know more about these variations than the white player because french would be the main opening of these black players and they must have played it for long time and learned it extensively.
But, OP is right, KIA could be a good way to deal with french below 2000.
you are completly right. one cannot confuse players like Gata Kamsky or other GMs, but if you look at the post of the IM, who posted here, you will see that he doesn't know the line well too. There is a good game by young Gukesh with a fresh idea Nh2-g4.
My point is that 2.d3 leads to a relatively unkown position for black, but exactly in these kind of positions (kings indian-structure) there are a lot of things running differently than usual.
I bet that every amateur who analyses 2.d3 good and practices it properly, will score far above 50% against 2000 rated players
pfren wrote:
improveinchess1 έγραψε:
you are completly right. one cannot confuse players like Gata Kamsky or other GMs, but if you look at the post of the IM, who posted here, you will see that he doesn't know the line well too. There is a good game by young Gukesh with a fresh idea Nh2-g4.
My point is that 2.d3 leads to a relatively unkown position for black, but exactly in these kind of positions (kings indian-structure) there are a lot of things running differently than usual.
I bet that every amateur who analyses 2.d3 good and practices it properly, will score far above 50% against 2000 rated players
I guess your "model game" is this one, yes?
Great play, indeed; The brilliant maneuver 13.N1h2, 14.Ng4 and 17.Ngh2!! makes a very strong impression.
White was completetely busted in this game, say around move 25, until Black blundered badly (probably because of time pressure) with 31...Nxd3?, while the simple 31...Rxd3 is curtains.
I happen to know Gukesh (we were playing same place, different tournaments 3 months ago). He is a very promising young player, but he surely wants to forget about this game as soon as possible.
I probably do not know that varation sufficiently well, but "improvers" like you could never tell.
Maybe black blundered because he was taken out of his comfort zone by the KIA?!
Dec 9, 2018
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#38
you shouldn't study openings very deep just get the basics of the openings and use fundamentals for the rest
i reached following position against a higher rated player. let's see, if you can evaluate the position correctly and find the move which was played
https://improveinchess.wordpress.com/2018/12/02/train-your-evaluation/
Dec 10, 2018
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#40
i think people here are underestimating how tricky it is for black players in these KIA lines, especially sub 2000. sure black gets all this space on the queenside but it takes time to finally make contact and get a winning advantage on that side, whereas once white loads up all his minor pieces on that bare kingside, black is walking on eggshells to not be blown away.
class players tend to be awful in these kinds of position because its not mere attacking or defending. Black needs to know when he HAS to waste time to defend, and when he must continue the race. class players, are not good in these concrete evaluations move by move., and since white is usually the one that gets to make decisive contact first, if all goes his way, it is black who ends up traumatized.
I wasnt familiar with the 3.nc6 idea agaisnt these KIA's and it looks promising, although after
i prefer white, . these classic structures are rarely deadly against these accelerated philidors.
I generally play the line for black given in #18, and I always get a reasonably good position. But the game doesn't end there! There is plenty of scope for each player to try and outplay the other. Which is why too much emphasis on trying to find the best opening line is foolish.
Which is precisely what Deirdre and others are saying - the opening won't win you the game, so instead of making life hard for yourself, play principled moves like 2.d4 and 3.Nc3.