The Anti-French

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Hammerschlag
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Mezmer

Interesting game - your opponent certainly did mess up with the middle-game and you made him pay. I've tried 2.f4 against the French myself a few times - but my opponents have always continued with 2...c5, so I transposed into the Grand Prix. The Kenilworth Chess Club website has a few example games on their site if you're interested in looking further into it.

Arctor

The real anti-French:

b3nnyhaha

Arctor has it. there is nothing a french player hates more than 3. exd5 ... *rageface*

Hammerschlag
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DrSpudnik

I have played the French for a long time and these anti-French ideas are not bad. And, because they are not very usual, they can catch the French player off guard. 2. b3, 2. f4, 2. c4 and 2. Qe2 are not to be taken lightly.

And, from experience, I can tell you that the Exchange variation is nothing to be feared. White blows out the central tension on move 3 and usually drifts into the middlegame, because he thinks he's entitled to an easy draw. I seldom see these end in draws.

bresando
b3nnyhaha wrote:

Arctor has it. there is nothing a french player hates more than 3. exd5 ... *rageface*


Most good french players love when white plays the exchange. Why not? they are gifted a good game on move 3, and even if it's not the sort of position they wanted, nobody can really find difficult to play such a simple simmetrical position. As far as i know a common topic for conversation among french defense players is to boast about how huge their plus score is against the exchange.

pfren

Moskalenko, a French expert, says that his best score is by a huge margin against the exchange variation. Party due to weak players playing the white side of course, but why Black should be annoyed having equality by move 03?

Hammerschlag
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b3nnyhaha

so symmetry = equality? then why isnt the petroff the most common defense? because its BORING x) although i agree that yes the exchange likely still favours black as the french player probably has way more experience in this particular symmetrical position than white, however i'd rather lose a game than play a boring game. honestly. *and my rating suffers but so what?* Laughing

edit: thought i'd comment on the actual topic of this thread- 2. f4, doesnt this typically just transpose into a steinitz french? doesnt seem too troublesome.

pfren
melvinbluestone wrote:

NM Andrew Karklins tried 2...Qh4+ occasionally......


Do you call this opening a French defence?  Surprised

bresando
b3nnyhaha wrote:

so symmetry = equality? then why isnt the petroff the most common defense?  


No, simmetrycal positions can range from dead equal to much better for one side. In the exchange french not much is going on and so the extra move is pretty worthless. In the petroff there are 2 pawns en prise and the prospects of an early clasch between the two forces, so it's natural to expect that the side with the move might have some prospects of an advantage. After 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c5?! instead the position is symmetrical but quite sharp and it's natural to expect quite some advantage for white. To sum it up the only certainty in a symmetrical position is that black is not better :)

b3nnyhaha

@melvin well yes, but sometimes thats unavoidable yes?

@bresando i was making an absurd statement to question hammerschlag's claim the exchange french equals instant equality.

Hammerschlag
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CharlieJohnson

Another intriguing anti-French is the Chigorin variation: 2. Qe2

http://www.chessvibes.com/columns/chigorins-queen-move

Hammerschlag
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pfren

Well, people are thinking they will play 2.Qe2 and crush the French.

This may well happen, but only if you have the OTB creativity of Vadim Zvyagintsev as well as his superb endgame technique, which isn't that likely. Admittedly though, his patent 2.Qe2 in the French is less bizarre than his 2.Na3 against the Sicilian.

kenilworthian

I have written a few articles on this opening, beginning with this one:

http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2009/french-f4.htm

If you like positions that come out of the Advance Variation of the French but you are looking for something off-beat, it makes for a fun occasional try.  As a repertoire choice, it helps if you also play the Grand Prix Attack, especially with 1.e4 c5 2.f4, as then you have a very coherent repertoire where you can transpose back and forth between the two openings, after for instance 1.e4 e6 2.f4 c5!? 3.Nf3 Nc6 (the Grand Prix) or 1.e4 c5 2.f4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.e5 (the McDonnell French).  The main problem with this is you have to have a way to deal with 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5! -- which I discussed recently:

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2011/12/bryntse-faj-gambit.html

amri97
melvinbluestone wrote:

While researching alternatives to 3.Nc3, to avoid the Winawer's annoying 3...Bb4 pin, I of course got into the Tarrasch line, 3.Nd2. This is a great idea, protecting the e-pawn and allowing the c3 advance. The drawback is the DSB gets blocked in...... So why not move the B first and let the pawn go for now? New idea? Of course not. When I checked the databases, I found it's the Alapin Gambit and it seems quite playable for white. Here's the usual continuation......


i usally play french as black and thanks to you i need to watch out for this gambit,   it looks good for white

 

thanks

pfren

@ melvinbluestone:

This is a good way to just develop your pieces, albeit questinable if you want to achieve something out of the opening. After 6.Ne2 black has successfully tried both 6...Bd6 and 6...Be7, but I would be more concerned about 6...Na5 7.Bb3?! Nxb3 8.axb3 b6, when Black has the bishop pair, easy development, and white will have a hard time picking back the e4-pawn.