The f5 Opening

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Jion_Wansu

I call this the Bavarian or the Bavarian Castle:

 

Jion_Wansu

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falcogrine

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Jion_Wansu

I played this opening in a 24 hour per move time control:

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=81825792

falcogrine

that is a pretty checkmate! good game

Jion_Wansu

Thanks

babypenguin

This is moderately successful trolling.  B-.

falcogrine

Have you seen how long he's managed to go? A- at least 

Jion_Wansu

I'm gonna use this for the 23rd chess.com tournament

Jion_Wansu

1.a3 is like this opening...

clunney

*hurl*

Jion_Wansu

Which is better? this or the Daeth Opening?

falcogrine

Hmmm... is there some way to play them against each other?

TheGreatOogieBoogie

I like 1.a3 too sometimes, especially if I have too many white games since 1.c3,c5 or 1.c3,d5 and 1...e5 2.c4 isn't forced.  That leaves 1.a3 usually transposing into many Sicilians up a tempo, but black's setup is good because it's designed to slowly phase out white's initiative and take it himself.  White on the first move already has the initiative. 

1.Nf3 2.b3 3.Bb2 4.e3 is a great system usually but sometimes black can disrupt this system. 

1.e4,f5? is the herpaderp gambit, for those times you must lose. 

Jion_Wansu

TheGreatOogieBoogie I've actually won with this opening plenty of times

Fairy_Princess

Why so many people tossing around new names for the Fred?

Playing an even worse move than standard Fred theory on move two doesn't make it some other opening altogether.  It just makes it an even worse Fred.

Jion_Wansu
Fairy_Princess wrote:

Why so many people tossing around new names for the Fred?

Playing an even worse move than standard Fred theory on move two doesn't make it some other opening altogether.  It just makes it an even worse Fred.

My opening is not the Fred, The Fred/Phred has different lines. It's like saying that the French is the same as Najdorf or something

Jion_Wansu

Any masters or grandmasters want to play as black with this openig and tell us what they think...

Jion_Wansu
Bavarian Attack

 

Holzsteiner Partie

 

Castle Defense




Argente

Of course this opening is just losing, but presumably the lesser evil  if you wanted to play it in very fast time controls would be  2...Nf6 and 3...d5, where black may only be a pawn down for nothing against routine play. A couple of 2300s have even tried to play this way in opens, though with deservedly bad results.