The f5 Opening

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Jion_Wansu

someone posted an h4 opening...

Jion_Wansu

i revived this thread also on the USCF forums

 

http://www.uschess.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=23&sid=d32224061b263b7b2a92c5c1394e4385

shell_knight

Just about the worst opening I've seen.

If you're not strong enough to beat your opponent from that position, then relax, you weren't going to beat them in any case.

blueemu

They could name this the Dwarf Fortress Opening.

... because losing is fun.

aggressivesociopath
Jion_Wansu wrote:

post #224, doesn't white eventually lose its queen?

Nope, after the simple 9...Nf6 10. Nf3 Qe7+ 11. Kd1 Black's threat of Ne4-Nxf2# never materializes. After 11...d5 12. Re1 Ne4 12. Rxe4 dxe4 13. Ng5 Black is out of tricks and cannot stop the pawn.

Yereslov

White is pretty much fighting for a draw at this point.

Mainline_Novelty
Yereslov wrote:
 

White is pretty much fighting for a draw at this point.

Off topic and wrong

did you mean black is fighting for a draw

Jion_Wansu

Hmmm

Jion_Wansu

anyone know how to post chess diagrams here:

 

https://www.uschess.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=23&sid=bee9659e99a574e19ab396058c168e63

TheGreatOogieBoogie
pfren wrote:
Yereslov wrote:

White is pretty much fighting for a draw at this point.

4...g5 isn't a good move... just tricky. 4...Nf6 is much better.

Didn't Lasker play 4...g5?  Then again many examples of relatively poor opening play of his are quite abundant in Crouch's How to Defend in Chess.  I personally wouldn't play 4...g5 either as it simply weakens the kingside and like you said there's absolutely nothing wrong with a simple developing move that prepares kingside castling. 

For black I think a good plan is watch over the d5 square since d4 is coming or maybe target e3 (since white obviously wants to activate the bishop)?  Might be inappropriate to plan right from 4...Nf6 and 5.d4 but white will either be passive or have some exploitable positional holes.  6.e3,c5 with play against d4 is a likely outcome but nothing is guarunteed. 

Jion_Wansu

I see

mrhjornevik
Yereslov wrote:
 

White is pretty much fighting for a draw at this point.

every opening is good if your opponent make the two worst replies. I would trade my f pawn for your D & E pawns any day of the week

Mainline_Novelty

Plus you have to be ready for a King's Gambit (2 e4) so non-open game defenders have an additional problem

Jion_Wansu

Another one of the lines of the German Opening

Jion_Wansu

yup

Jion_Wansu

:)

Jion_Wansu

This is me against Chess Titans on Windows 7 on the hardest difficulty level:

 



Jion_Wansu

did you guy's see white's version of this called the Panda Bear Opening?

Jion_Wansu

I did well here until I blundered a piece:

 

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=1017028070

Jion_Wansu

Some folks on the USCF forums gave some good input about this opening. The thread title is the same on USCF as it is here.