Define patzer.
The Fantasy Variation
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Pfren's first priority is to belittle non-professionals it seems, ignore those who are telling you that's how he *should* behave - as if it's impossible to impart knowledge without being an asshole!?
Jan 2, 2013
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#24
@Yohan_Saboda: 3 months ago Pfren showed you why that variation you are showing here was not good.
That was in the forum http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/answer-to-the-fantasy-gambit, mentioned in this thread before.
He answered you correctly. In this thread you act as if you do not know and he is answering you for the very first time.
It is not. I think Pfren is quite polite to you considering you are repeating a game which is shown to be incorrect.
I am always glad to read his posts. He really helps us kibitzers.
I would respect his opinions, and do, except for the fact that he insists on shoving them down my throat. I will check that forum - I did not see it before.
Oh wait, it's been deleted! what a surprise! Maybe pfren was insulting somebody in it!
If black wants to play the exchange variation, then he has to play either Be6, regarding to hold the square e5, or Bg4. Bold lines lead to sharp, but equal positions. If black wants to avoid this, 3. ... e6 or g6 ar good other choices.
pfren wrote:
Yohan_Saboba wrote:
By the way, one of the correct move choices for Black after 3... dxe4 4. fxe4 e5 5. Nf3 is likely 5... Be6.
Not bothered to watch the Shankland video, it seems. While it's aimed at post-newbies, which is a click above your level, still it's quite easy to follow.
Regards.
Hmmm... I seem to have said Be6 was good, but got shouted down for it... curious!
And I also said about e6 and g6...
@Yohan_Saboda ... Define patzer? We used under-2000 OTB in our club, but as we each approached that level we realized the cutoff was much higher.
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3 dxe4 4.fxe4 e5 5.Nf3 exd4 has been known to be risky since the 19th century.
5...Be6 white can follow the plan 6.c3 Nf6 7.Bd3 with a very nice comfortable center.
5...Bg4 is the best move to pressure the center and to develop as Pfren stated.
I mean I guess the whole 'patzer' cutoff is quite relative... I have seen it defined as 'hopelessly weak' so I use it for U1000 typically.
Jan 3, 2013
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#33
I'm only a very occasional 1.e4 player - the Fantasy is the sort of thing I wheel out just to get a playable game as it's not worth preparing anything mainstream for the rare occasions I play White in a Caro.
Anyway the move I've scored the worst against (by far) is 3...Qb6, with a rapid ...e5 to follow.
UPDATE!
3...Qb6 is now recognized as almost a refutation of the Fantasy Variation
So far Black has scored over 50% with it...
Yohan_Saboba wrote:
UPDATE!
3...Qb6 is now recognized as almost a refutation of the Fantasy Variation
So far Black has scored over 50% with it...
7.Bc4! is a fairly promising piece sacrifice there actually.
Right, black ought not take the piece there... Another line is (I believe) 6... Ne7
Caro kann is my main weapon against e4. I have played quite a few games with it and won, but opening up the game too early in the center is a counter productive measure when truly this defense suits a bit more positional finesse and endgame players. If white plays the fantasy with 3.f3, the most solid response in my opinion is 3....e6. Perhaps a more aggressive defense should be used if swashbuckling is your style.
pfren wrote:
Yohan_Saboba wrote:
By the way, one of the correct move choices for Black after 3... dxe4 4. fxe4 e5 5. Nf3 is likely 5... Be6.
Not bothered to watch the Shankland video, it seems. While it's aimed at post-newbies, which is a click above your level, still it's quite easy to follow.
Regards.
For two months I've played the Caro Kann exclusively in response to e4. I think it's a solid opening. In all of that time, none of my oponents has initiated the "fantasy opening." Frankly, I wouldn't remember what to do if they did despite watching the majority of Shankland's series on the Caro Kann. At my level, the fantasy opening is just too obscure to memorize.
But, to make another point (also at my level), Shanklands "comprehensive" video tutorial on the Caro Kann is almost completely useless to me. His style of speaking is engaging, and I have 100% confidence that he knows exactly what he's talking about, but he simply goes way to fast.
Having read other posts by IM pfren, I get the idea that he has a keen scientific mind. But, beware the scientist who thinks his mind is well constructed for teaching. Some would consider his replies to Yohan as "constructive criticism," but, unfortunately, they come across as somewhat rude, or even hostile. I would refer those with a differing opinion to read Randy Olson's Don't Be Such a Scientist.
I have played the fantasy occasioanlly, I hate it when black replies 3..e6 as I don't know what to do with the pawn on f3.
By the way, one of the correct move choices for Black after 3... dxe4 4. fxe4 e5 5. Nf3 is likely 5... Be6.
Not bothered to watch the Shankland video, it seems. While it's aimed at post-newbies, which is a click above your level, still it's quite easy to follow.
Regards.
Ohhh, forgive me! It's so clear now! This is obviously constructive criticsm. Silly me, thinking it was insulting!
Sorry I'm not an IM. But I'm not exactly a patzer either. Or a newbie.