"I have never been quite sure whether this is the worst opening move [1. g4] or whether that dubious title belongs to 1 f3. At least after 1 f3 d5 White can play 2 f4, or after 1 f3 e5 2 e4 Bc5 3 f4!?, but 1 g4 gives no such opportunity. One of the best ways to manhandle this miserable move is to play a sharp gambit against it." - Raymond Keene.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1026281
Please, h3?? Only a pussy protects the pawn. Basman's got no friggin clue; none.
The attack is spectacular and works. A classical book-learned memorization snob talks down on it not by experience, but by being a typical sheeple. If it's dubious, it hasn't been shown to me. I win 65% with it, a solid fifth in under 15 moves, by winning a piece and forcing a resignation.
Only someone like myself who plays this opening exclusively can speak about it. c6 is harmless cxd5 cxd5 Nf6 Qxb7 is great for white. The queen is not misplaced, retreats to g2 and is on an already open file to attack the black king which now practically must 0-0. In the long run, that is if black dances through the tactical openness which is by no means a given, white's queenside majority wins for white.
Silman and pfren are completely wrong about this style of play; completely.
Calling it Grob is slander. It's the Kolibri Hummingbird Ninja, the Althausen, the Genoa, Althausen, or spike. Snobs have relegated it to being under the radar and that's fine by me. Play your boring Ruy's, what fluff; this play is short, fun, tactical, and real.
I wouldn't have thought that pfren was completely wrong. Well he might be. I guess the only way to decide is a show down...
In the meantime, I'm reminded of this video for 1. g4 players. I'll check it out later.
Let's have a diagram to know where we're at.
Please, h3?? Only a pussy protects the pawn. Basman's got no friggin clue; none.
The attack is spectacular and works. A classical book-learned memorization snob talks down on it not by experience, but by being a typical sheeple. If it's dubious, it hasn't been shown to me. I win 65% with it, a solid fifth in under 15 moves, by winning a piece and forcing a resignation.
Only someone like myself who plays this opening exclusively can speak about it. c6 is harmless cxd5 cxd5 Nf6 Qxb7 is great for white. The queen is not misplaced, retreats to g2 and is on an already open file to attack the black king which now practically must 0-0. In the long run, that is if black dances through the tactical openness which is by no means a given, white's queenside majority wins for white.
Silman and pfren are completely wrong about this style of play; completely.
Calling it Grob is slander. It's the Kolibri Hummingbird Ninja, the Althausen, the Genoa, Althausen, or spike. Snobs have relegated it to being under the radar and that's fine by me. Play your boring Ruy's, what fluff; this play is short, fun, tactical, and real.
I got a good chuckle out of this....until I realized you were actually serious. I assume you believe that practically every other titled player with the exception of Skembris and Basman is wrong as well. Actually, scratch that, you've even claimed Basman is wrong too. I'm interested to know what you consider Black's best line against the Grob. And remember, good play from Black is required.
I like saying the word grob. grob grob grob grob grob grob grob
'm interested to know what you consider Black's best line against the Grob.
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-grob-attack2
'm interested to know what you consider Black's best line against the Grob.
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-grob-attack2
Well, I was hoping for something more constructive than sending me back a page in this thread. Besides, I already consider pfren's post (#9) to be the best against the Grob (not with e6 but with Nf6). I'm jst interested in what yes_dear has to say about it, because he's so confident in the Grob.
Please, h3?? Only a pussy protects the pawn. Basman's got no friggin clue; none.
The attack is spectacular and works. A classical book-learned memorization snob talks down on it not by experience, but by being a typical sheeple. If it's dubious, it hasn't been shown to me. I win 65% with it, a solid fifth in under 15 moves, by winning a piece and forcing a resignation.
Only someone like myself who plays this opening exclusively can speak about it. c6 is harmless cxd5 cxd5 Nf6 Qxb7 is great for white. The queen is not misplaced, retreats to g2 and is on an already open file to attack the black king which now practically must 0-0. In the long run, that is if black dances through the tactical openness which is by no means a given, white's queenside majority wins for white.
Silman and pfren are completely wrong about this style of play; completely.
Calling it Grob is slander. It's the Kolibri Hummingbird Ninja, the Althausen, the Genoa, Althausen, or spike. Snobs have relegated it to being under the radar and that's fine by me. Play your boring Ruy's, what fluff; this play is short, fun, tactical, and real.
This ought to be an excerpt from the Gospel of St.Clueless.
How can white's Queen go to g2? This is not possible, even in fairy chess... unless one is dumb enough to overlook that 1.g4?! d5 2.Bg2? Bxg4 3.c4 c6 4.Qb3 Nf6 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Qxb7 Nbd7 (white in trouble, already) 7.Bxd5? drops a piece to the simple 7...Rb8, that is.
And yes, both me and Silman are completely wrong about "This style of play", simply because this is no style of play: This is kindergarten chess in its most naive form.
So... yes_dear, you are funny. Or wrong. Or clueless, make your pick. I will allow you the luxury to pick all of the above combined, to earn the GrandPatzer status.
There was a young man in a robe,
Who looked too long at a strobe.
His e-pawn he pawed,
But his vision was flawed,
He ended up playing The Grob. 
Saw a very decent player play g4 in blitz. When asked why he said "I know it's crap but I figure it will take you longer than 5 minutes to figure out why"
Unless you already know why.
There was a young man in a robe,
Who looked too long at a strobe.
His e-pawn he pawed,
But his vision was flawed,
He ended up playing The Grob.
Nice limerick there. You win the thread.
Stockfish thinks the grob defeats black in 40 moves
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم
Stockfish thinks the grob defeats black in 40 moves
And what line proves that? Remember, good play by Black is required.
>Of course Phren is right<
Because?
>it's extremely rare to see even a weak GM play g4.<
A weak Grandmaster? First off, to paraphrase an old quote, A grandmaster by any other name is still a grandmaster. Weak or not, they still would have to follow the same course to gain the GM qualification has everyone else.
Mind you I don't understand what a Grandmaster plays has anything to do with what your average fish plays. Lets face it one has to wonder just how many who come to forums such as these regualrly get the chance to play GM's anyway?? Maybe obscure angry Greek IM's with opinions on everything? Who knows?
Openings do not win games by themselves (that is, apart from opening traps) what win games is the person behind the peices playing the right chess under the right circumstances against the right person.
It's almost as strong as 2.Qh5
Which isn't saying much. In fact, I would rather play 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 any day over the Grob. As bad as both openings are, the Parham isn't completely dumb, because White can give Black a somewhat awkward position to play, even if Black should be better. The Grob, on the other hand, is not good whatsoever. To repeat what I said in a different thread about the Grob: "The Grob is an amateur's blitz weapon at absolute best (and other openings do a better job and are more sound), and just plain bad at worst."