You forgot to say bad.
the Grob attack
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I wouldn't have thought that pfren was completely wrong. Well he might be. I guess the only way to decide is a show down...
In the meantime, I'm reminded of this video for 1. g4 players. I'll check it out later.
Let's have a diagram to know where we're at.
yes_dear wrote:
Please, h3?? Only a pussy protects the pawn. Basman's got no friggin clue; none.
The attack is spectacular and works. A classical book-learned memorization snob talks down on it not by experience, but by being a typical sheeple. If it's dubious, it hasn't been shown to me. I win 65% with it, a solid fifth in under 15 moves, by winning a piece and forcing a resignation.
Only someone like myself who plays this opening exclusively can speak about it. c6 is harmless cxd5 cxd5 Nf6 Qxb7 is great for white. The queen is not misplaced, retreats to g2 and is on an already open file to attack the black king which now practically must 0-0. In the long run, that is if black dances through the tactical openness which is by no means a given, white's queenside majority wins for white.
Silman and pfren are completely wrong about this style of play; completely.
Calling it Grob is slander. It's the Kolibri Hummingbird Ninja, the Althausen, the Genoa, Althausen, or spike. Snobs have relegated it to being under the radar and that's fine by me. Play your boring Ruy's, what fluff; this play is short, fun, tactical, and real.
I got a good chuckle out of this....until I realized you were actually serious. I assume you believe that practically every other titled player with the exception of Skembris and Basman is wrong as well. Actually, scratch that, you've even claimed Basman is wrong too. I'm interested to know what you consider Black's best line against the Grob. And remember, good play from Black is required.
I like saying the word grob. grob grob grob grob grob grob grob
- grob
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- Kolibri Hummingbird Ninja Attack
Jan 22, 2015
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#28
drybasin wrote:
'm interested to know what you consider Black's best line against the Grob.
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-grob-attack2
Sqod wrote:
drybasin wrote:
'm interested to know what you consider Black's best line against the Grob.
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-grob-attack2
Well, I was hoping for something more constructive than sending me back a page in this thread. Besides, I already consider pfren's post (#9) to be the best against the Grob (not with e6 but with Nf6). I'm jst interested in what yes_dear has to say about it, because he's so confident in the Grob.
Jan 23, 2015
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#30
There was a young man in a robe,
Who looked too long at a strobe.
His e-pawn he pawed,
But his vision was flawed,
He ended up playing The Grob. 
petrosianpupil wrote:
Saw a very decent player play g4 in blitz. When asked why he said "I know it's crap but I figure it will take you longer than 5 minutes to figure out why"
Unless you already know why.
Sqod wrote:
There was a young man in a robe,
Who looked too long at a strobe.
His e-pawn he pawed,
But his vision was flawed,
He ended up playing The Grob.
Nice limerick there. You win the thread.
Stockfish thinks the grob defeats black in 40 moves
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم
QXF7_PATZER wrote:
Stockfish thinks the grob defeats black in 40 moves
And what line proves that? Remember, good play by Black is required.
Jan 23, 2015
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#36
petrosianpupil wrote:
>Of course Phren is right<
Because?
>it's extremely rare to see even a weak GM play g4.<
A weak Grandmaster? First off, to paraphrase an old quote, A grandmaster by any other name is still a grandmaster. Weak or not, they still would have to follow the same course to gain the GM qualification has everyone else.
Mind you I don't understand what a Grandmaster plays has anything to do with what your average fish plays. Lets face it one has to wonder just how many who come to forums such as these regualrly get the chance to play GM's anyway?? Maybe obscure angry Greek IM's with opinions on everything? Who knows?
Openings do not win games by themselves (that is, apart from opening traps) what win games is the person behind the peices playing the right chess under the right circumstances against the right person.
Sep 2, 2016
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#37
I believe 1.g4 h5?! is the refutation to the Grob.
Rybka consistently crushes its opponents after 1.g4 h5 2.g5....
Please, h3?? Only a pussy protects the pawn. Basman's got no friggin clue; none.
The attack is spectacular and works. A classical book-learned memorization snob talks down on it not by experience, but by being a typical sheeple. If it's dubious, it hasn't been shown to me. I win 65% with it, a solid fifth in under 15 moves, by winning a piece and forcing a resignation.
Only someone like myself who plays this opening exclusively can speak about it. c6 is harmless cxd5 cxd5 Nf6 Qxb7 is great for white. The queen is not misplaced, retreats to g2 and is on an already open file to attack the black king which now practically must 0-0. In the long run, that is if black dances through the tactical openness which is by no means a given, white's queenside majority wins for white.
Silman and pfren are completely wrong about this style of play; completely.
Calling it Grob is slander. It's the Kolibri Hummingbird Ninja, the Althausen, the Genoa, Althausen, or spike. Snobs have relegated it to being under the radar and that's fine by me. Play your boring Ruy's, what fluff; this play is short, fun, tactical, and real.