The Scotch

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The Scotch Gambit  
The goring gambit 

StarlightFade

excuse me unplugged you did something wrong

 

StarlightFade

in the scoth gambit he can play qe7

 

Unplugged1550

sure then Bg5 Then Nf6 Bxf6 if queen takes I get bishop if pawn takes I have a better position

TeacherOfPain

Ah, the scotch!

The scotch game is great for beginners in my opinion, most GM's don't play it because it is overanalyzed and it is also to simple, and therefore the majority would ask for a draw before the game even hits the endgame or middlegame. Therefore there would be no point to start it for their level of play. 

Most people that are beginners or intermediate play it, however even some interemediates don't play in nowadays, most play the ruy lopez. But after that nothing else, not the scotch, not the four knights, not even the kings gambit. However none of these I would reccomend except for ruy lopez after 1600 because there is nothing to gain in these opening due to them being overanalyzed and played too much. 

Due to this the scotch can be seen as a good opening to some(depending on their level) however from the perspective of a player that is broad with their openings and has more opening depth, I would say 95%-99% of the time, nobody picks the scotch anymore. 

This is not me being against the scotch this is just reality, and when it was dominating in its time, it was good, now it can be dominated by those who use it efficiently but as for me, and for others it is just to simple or short of a repitoire and is not seen as much in OTB or online at higher levels of play. 

donnelleraeburn

Oh so this is what the computer was using against me.

Unplugged1550

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ChampionOfChess100

no latavain and danish

Strangemover

I have started playing the 2 pawns gambit in the Goring recently 5.Bc4 instead of 5.Nc3 very interesting. 

poucin

Ad so what for white? White is basically lost here in my opinion. Qd5 is a bad move while Bxf7 gives nice prospects.

Another wrong line :

In this 2nd variation, black is fine but position is playable for both sides.

Goring gambit is interesting but just a dream, when black could easily declines it :

 

pfren
poucin έγραψε:

Goring gambit is interesting but just a dream, when black could easily declines it :

 

 

Of course 4...d5 is fine, but since it simplifies the position quite a bit, I prefer 4...Nf6 5.e5 Nd5, since the very same position can also be reached from the Ponziani, and it is also fine for Black (the second line you've mentioned).

pfren
Unplugged1550 έγραψε:
       
The Scotch Gambit  
 

 

The lines you give in the Scotch gambit are stupid. After 4.Bc4, you don't mention at all a main line (4...Nf6), and after 4...Bc5 5.c3 (5.Ng5!? is more interesting than most people think) 5...Nf6! 6.e5 d5 7.Bb5 (I prefer 7.Be2!? myself) instead of the stupid 7...Ng8? Black could (and should) play 7...Ne4 8.cxd4 Bb6, with a heavily analysed position where Black is not worse.

Unplugged1550

please be nice

 

Unplugged1550

and your a IM SO YOUR WAY BETTER THEN ME 

poucin

i knew this stuff when i was about 2000 or less, no need to be IM to know something...

Pfren was nice.

Telling u gave some stupid lines doesn't mean u are stupid.

But come on, giving Ng8 is not serious...

StarlightFade

he does not have to play Nf6 and can play f6