OP is clueless. the variation Kxf2 Nxe4+ is a forced draw after Kg1. Kf1 is also a forced draw but white has many ways to blunder. Bxf7 is winning for white but it's not easy. Winning with black with Traxler is hard. Traxler is suboptimal. Those are the reasons why I gave up Traxler and switched to Ulvestad after analyzing it at least till move 20 and move 40 in some variations.
The Traxler Counterattack ALWAYS WINS!
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savagechess2k έγραψε:
OP is clueless. the variation Kxf2 Nxe4+ is a forced draw after Kg1. Kf1 is also a forced draw but white has many ways to blunder. Bxf7 is winning for white but it's not easy. Winning with black with Traxler is hard. Traxler is suboptimal. Those are the reasons why I gave up Traxler and switched to Ulvestad after analyzing it at least till move 20 and move 40 in some variations.
The Ulvestad does not work, either. The problem is the following line:
While Black may hold this pawn-down ending, it's certainly not the most pleasant position to defend...
@pfren
the reason is Traxler is ULTIMATELY drawish after 5.Nxf7 and Ulvestad is not.
Also 6.Bf1 is very hard to find OTB if you are not familiar with this line.
( Playing Ulvestad is quite reasonable since everyone in my level who plays 4.Ng5 only know 5...Na5 theory. )
@EndgameStudy No. After Nxf7, White have many ways to draw and a possible win after 5...Bxf2+ 6.Ke3 ( I'm serious ) Maybe you should try the Fritz Line ( 4...d5 5.exd5 Nd4 )
savagechess2k έγραψε:
Also 6.Bf1 is very hard to find OTB if you are not familiar with this line.
You have just written the Golden Rule of Hope Chess.
traxler is a cool opening and pretty effective too. Unless the opponent is very well prepared, there are good chances that he will blunder somewhere while defending.
@pfren
They can know 6.Bf1 but no person on earth would prepare a line against a line which % 75 of players even don't know its existence.
@Ashvapathi
If you are higher rated than me, I'll play 5.Nxf7 and take the draw after 5...Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7.Kg1 Qh4 8. g3 Nxg3 9. Nxh8 Nd4 10. hxg3 Qxg3+ and perpetual.
If you are lower than me ( Which is probably unlikely because I'm 1266 FIDE and lower players wont play some trash ) I'll play 5.Bxf7+ and win.
EndgameStudy έγραψε:
Give me a variation! I'll show u how it's winning for black.
OK then... please comment on this game. feel free to use whatever to comment.
As far as I'm concerned, 5.d4 is a reason good enough to drop the Traxler.
Hi if you want some more variations for The traxler there is a club here on chess .com (Traxler Analysis) they have assembled years of variations !
i played this myself sometimes with some results
but my opponent blundered at the end it schould have been a draw
Here the Karpov version of Bxf7+
Sep 15, 2017
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EndgameStudy wrote:
I need to learn d4 openings lol
Hah! Just play 4...d5 mate and you'll be golden. 
Sep 15, 2017
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penandpaper0089 wrote:
EndgameStudy wrote:
I need to learn d4 openings lol
Hah! Just play 4...d5 mate and you'll be golden.
4...d5 is checkmate?
Sep 15, 2017
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Some hair-raising lines to be sure but no forced win for Black IF White can find the best moves. 5.Bxf7+ followed by retreating the bishop to b3 is likely best against the Traxler but taking with the knight is certainly viable.
If anyone wants to try the Traxler Counterattack which always wins, by all means post your moves and I will have an engine play against you.
Your turn!
y-e-l-l-o-w wrote:
If anyone wants to try the Traxler Counterattack which always wins, by all means post your moves and I will have an engine play against you.
Your turn!
Uhhh... Bxf2 I guess
Clavius a écrit :
Some hair-raising lines to be sure but no forced win for Black IF White can find the best moves. 5.Bxf7+ followed by retreating the bishop to b3 is likely best against the Traxler but taking with the knight is certainly viable.
After 5 Bxf7+ the bishop cant go back to b3 he must guard the pawn on e4
Enderman1323 a écrit :
y-e-l-l-o-w wrote:
If anyone wants to try the Traxler Counterattack which always wins, by all means post your moves and I will have an engine play against you.
Your turn!
Uhhh... Bxf2 I guess
i dont think we can win agaisnt an engine (they dont feel the pressure!) but if you could give the evaluation at the sacrtifice moment and after it would be interesting
That will play Bxf7+ ( Actually engines can't realize Nxf7 is drawish in first sight. I spent 3 weeks proving it. ) and white will win. Just check out some 3000+ vs 3000+ CCRL 40/40 games.
Consistency is key. I never think.