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The_Gavinator

Apr 26, 2012

#81

Actually, in the master's database on chess365.com, there is over 170,000 games with the first move d4, and NONE of them feature that position.

NM shepi13

Apr 26, 2012

#82

Well the first database I found that had Nb5 after Bf5 showed white scoring 2.5-0.5 out of three games played. As this database also had amateur games as well, this might not be the most accurate judgement, and three games isn't enough to prove or disprove an opening anyways. I believe that your opening might be playable for white, but as it offers black easy equality and good chance for an advantage I wouldn't ever play it. Also, I don't think Bd3 giving up your better bishop for a knight looks that great. Try finding a safer way to defend the fork. In addition, your opening lacks kingside development, which might be a problem if black can begin to initiate an attack. I wouldn't play it, but I don't believe it is an immediate loss.

Note:

I have an online game in a similar Nb5 line going on currently (grunfeld, not qsfl or Whaite-Harrison - and I was playing black). I made solid developing moves, and at this point I should be winning. I will post the game when I finish it so we can analyze the opening and why exactly I gained an advantage. In addition, nobody has analyzed my Nb8!? that I gave earlier. The idea is that it transposes to a solid line in which black scores very well, and reroutes the knight from a6 to a better square, such as d7 or c6, rather than trying to attack with Nb4. I'll look back to the exact post and post the line again.

NM shepi13

Apr 26, 2012

#83

The_Gavinator wrote:

Actually, in the master's database on chess365.com, there is over 170,000 games with the first move d4, and NONE of them feature that position.

You're slightly off - precisely 24 games feature that position - which is still very few.

4. e3

2011

16.7 %

25 %

58.3 %

The_Gavinator

Apr 26, 2012

#84

That's the big database, not Master's database.

whatupyodog

Apr 26, 2012

#85

What a beautiful opening!!!

NM shepi13

Apr 26, 2012

#86

joeydvivre wrote:

I have 137 in my ChessBase online database for which I pay some dollar amount like $59/year to access. Sorry you do not have a decent database. Many of these are not especially obscure games played in real events by people with 2500+ ratings.

I have access to chess.coms database, chessgames.coms database, chesstempo's database, chess365's database, etc. I am sorry that I don't pay for chess base, and you are obviously a much better player than me with much better resources.

NM shepi13

Apr 26, 2012

#87

Please note the sarcasm in my last post

In addition, if it was that great of a database and it only has 137 games, that shows that it isn't played all that often. 137 out of what - 200,000+. Really?

I can't find my post with Nb8, but I remember it being interesting. Oh well.

NM shepi13

Apr 26, 2012

#88

No - it's not the money - simply that I haven't gotten it yet. I probably will as I get better. As it is I use the GUI Tarrasch with Rybka for analysis.

I already pay for a few sites like chess.com and ICC, just haven't downloaded or bought chessbase yet. It does look cool, and I probably will get it once I break 1700 or 1800 USCF.

NM shepi13

Apr 26, 2012

#89

6...Nb8

60%

40%

Here, I looked at the opening explorer again:

And black is shown as scoring 3.5 - 1.5 in this line (2-0 with 3 draws), I assume it transposes to the following:

NM shepi13

Apr 26, 2012

#90

Forgot: 4...Bf5

The_Gavinator

Apr 26, 2012

#91

Ehh, I think I'm giving up on this one. I don't think it's bad, and I may occasionally play it, but it's just not getting the aggressiveness I hoped. It'll probably work against beginners who will play Nc6, but I'll probably play the Parham from now on. Thank you for all of your analysis, I believe this opening is still playable, but is just not right for me. It is sound, and is playable.

Ben_Dubuque

Apr 26, 2012

#92

so lets let the thread die

The_Gavinator

Apr 26, 2012

#93

I don't see why that's necessary to say, but ok...

whatupyodog

Apr 26, 2012

#94

i pwn

NM shepi13

Apr 27, 2012

#95

A similar opening was just finished against me in an online game - here it is:

NM shepi13

Apr 27, 2012

#96

joeydvivre wrote:

At the end of Move 5, we have a very common position in a Grunfeld. I have almost 4000 games in my database from this position with such players as Ivanchuk, Dreev, Wang Hao, Grischuk playing it.

Then I have 12 games with 6 Nb5 with a high rating of 1762... Why are you so obsessed with this knight attack in all these positions? In the position at move 6, the most popular move is e3. But if you really want to attck the c-pawn, play Rc1 which has some kind of attack on the c-pawn and is a good developing move besides. Nb5 takes your knight out of the center, allows black to get in c6 with tempo, gives away the e4 square. To top it off, black can just practically ignore the threat and play c6. After 6 Nb5 c6; 7 Nc7 Nh5; 8 Nxa8 Nxf4 black will eventually get the knight at a8 and be up two pieces to the rook and white will be lost.

You need to learn to stop playing that stupid non-threat.

If you pay attention, I was playing black, not white. I posted the line because it was similar to the ones the gavinator and whatsupyodog were playing. And yes, c6 does seem better then Na6.

NM shepi13

Apr 27, 2012

#97

And yes - I know it's a common position in the grunfeld - I play the grunfeld and that is why we reached that position.

IM pfren

Apr 27, 2012

#98

6...Na6 was played by Baady Jobava against a world champion (Antoaneta Stefanova) with great success, so it cannot be a bad move!

6.e3 is a much analysed Grunfeld variation, where Black is doing rather well.

Olond

Apr 28, 2012

#99

People...

Read: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-queenside-fried-liver?page=1

They are calling an opening the way to grandmaster. Plus their pattern of arguing. Every sane person must realise the whole thing is just for trolling. They can't be that dumb. They are probably just sitting in front of their comupter and laughing at every serious post.

Admin, please close the thread and ban their accounts.

whatupyodog

Apr 28, 2012

#100

Olond , you are obviously a garbage player. Dont bash this opening for no reason. Please dont post unless you have something relevant to say.