I would suggest focusing on opening principles first (like developing your pieces, casting early, etc) instead of learning a complex opening right away. Also while learning an opening try to understand why a certain move is played rather than just memorising the lines.
Thoughts on the Slav vs the French for a beginner?
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Dec 30, 2020
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I play both.
But I´m kind of new in the "French World".
A lot of times you reach similar structures playing these defenses. They are solid and you usually develop your game playing on the light-squares on both of them.
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BKB99
theendgame3 wrote:
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I agree with Thriller. Thriller is rated very highly, so you have to respect his advice rather than someone rated only 1400.
Has nothing to do with 1000. Slav is better cause the bishop is not locked....as an educational approach...really 'slav' is queens gambit declined at that level.
French is horrible at noob level....its horrible every level, but thats another story
theendgame3 wrote:
nighteyes1234 wrote:
theendgame3 wrote:
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I agree with Thriller. Thriller is rated very highly, so you have to respect his advice rather than someone rated only 1400.
Has nothing to do with 1000. Slav is better cause the bishop is not locked....as an educational approach...really 'slav' is queens gambit declined at that level.
French is horrible at noob level....its horrible every level, but thats another story
I do apologise Mr Fischer
Even Fischer did not hate the French. He thought everything but the najdorf was bad against e4.
Fischer played e5 11 times, but lost 27 percent of the time, compared to the 8 percent loss record he had with the Sicilian. He also had 6 games with the Alekhine, and never lost a game, but had lost 100 percent of his games to kings gambit.
theendgame3 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
Caesar49bc wrote:
I wouldn't recommend The French Defence for a beginner.
Playing as black, the various Indian defences are good for beginners.
Stay away from the Sicilian defence as black. It's a very good opening, but I don't recommend for players under 1400. Although dabbling in it starting around 1300 is ok.
What a joke! You discourage the French but encourage the Kings Indian Defense or Nimzo-Indian Defense.
All 3 are dense in theory, so why are 2 encouraging for a beginner but not the other?
Personally, a beginner should first learn the Ruy Lopez and QGD as both follow opening concepts to the letter. You should be learning and playing both openings from both sides. If they throw something else at you, like the Sicilian or Kings Indian with you as White, or the Kings Gambit or London System with you as Black, just follow general opening concepts until you are ready to study openings more in depth.
I agree with Thriller. Thriller is rated very highly, so you have to respect his advice rather than someone rated only 1400.
Sarcasm, right?
Mr_Winawer wrote:
Even Fischer did not hate the French. He thought everything but the najdorf was bad against e4.
Sure 1 e3 is best by test. and then you get an extra move!
Dec 30, 2020
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nighteyes1234 wrote:
theendgame3 wrote:
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I agree with Thriller. Thriller is rated very highly, so you have to respect his advice rather than someone rated only 1400.
Has nothing to do with 1000. Slav is better cause the bishop is not locked....as an educational approach...really 'slav' is queens gambit declined at that level.
French is horrible at noob level....its horrible every level, but thats another story
SMH!
The position is not better simply because the Bishop is outside the pawn chain! The problems are different!
Outside the pawn chain, a Bishop can get trapped (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.h4 e6?? 5.g4 and the Bishop will be lost for a pawn) or lead to light square weaknesses on the Queenside (1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 e6 8.Bb5 and the extra tempo for White begins to force asymmetry and an attack on the Queenside light squares!
An opening is not better simply because one bishop is outside the pawn chain.
e3 is honestly not to bad. The trick is to go d3 on the next move and then go d5 so you have a french defense.
BlitzKriegBoy99 wrote:
But I´m kind of new in the "French World".
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Dec 30, 2020
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BlitzKriegBoy99 wrote:
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I wouldn't recommend The French Defence for a beginner.
Playing as black, the various Indian defences are good for beginners.
Stay away from the Sicilian defence as black. It's a very good opening, but I don't recommend for players under 1400. Although dabbling in it starting around 1300 is ok.
What a joke! You discourage the French but encourage the Kings Indian Defense or Nimzo-Indian Defense.
All 3 are dense in theory, so why are 2 encouraging for a beginner but not the other?
Personally, a beginner should first learn the Ruy Lopez and QGD as both follow opening concepts to the letter. You should be learning and playing both openings from both sides. If they throw something else at you, like the Sicilian or Kings Indian with you as White, or the Kings Gambit or London System with you as Black, just follow general opening concepts until you are ready to study openings more in depth.