top 5 responses to the Sicilian ranked

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TheSampson

1. Open Sicilian

Do I even have to explain this? It’s the mainline for a reason, absolute 10/10

2. Rossolimo

Probably the most solid anti-Sicilian, and the best move according to the engine (I think), making it #2.

3. Tiviakov

I’m shaky on this one, but it seems really solid and it apparently aims to play f4 and Nf3, gaining a somewhat spacious position.

4. Alapin

The Alapin and it’s divert counterpart are kind of dry imo but definitely not bad.

5. Closed Sicilian

I ranked it this low because white actually gets a space crunch here, especially on the queen side. Usually, the pawn storm doesn’t get through, and white’s left with a hopeless position.

please give any feedback you see fit, I may have misordered (especially with the Tiviakov) but that’s up for you to decide

Chuck639

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

The_Artist_of_Chess

this list is tripping, the open sicilian is garbage lol you have to study days on end to even understand one variation

Chuck639
ScrumptiousBricks wrote:

this list is tripping, the open sicilian is garbage lol you have to study days on end to even understand one variation

There must be something in the water because I rarely see it from my 1800 rapid rated opponents so I have no idea what is happening or trending at the 900 rapid bracket ?

MadMusketeer
ScrumptiousBricks wrote:

this list is tripping, the open sicilian is garbage lol you have to study days on end to even understand one variation

At no point on this list does OP ever imply that these are the best responses to the Sicilian in order of which you can learn fastest, or which has the least theory, just which is the strongest response if you know what you're doing. The fact that the Open Sicilian requires a decent amount of study (although nowhere near as much as you imply) is a good reason to learn the Alapin or whatever else instead, so you don't have to study as much to get a position you're comfortable with, but it by no means makes it "garbage" - it's literally the main line for a reason, being that it's the (theoretical), and if you play it well you get a better position than in any other variation, which is why it's ranked number 1.

Ethan_Brollier
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Closed Rossolimo. e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5

SamuelAjedrez95

You don't understand who you're dealing with @MadMusketeer. Scrumpty Dumpty is a genius chess player who has managed to refute the Sicilian and the Ruy Lopez.

TheSampson
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

You don't understand who you're dealing with @MadMusketeer. Scrumpty Dumpty is a genius chess player who has managed to refute the Sicilian and the Ruy Lopez.

fr 💀💀💀

Chuck639
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

You don't understand who you're dealing with @MadMusketeer. Scrumpty Dumpty is a genius chess player who has managed to refute the Sicilian and the Ruy Lopez.

You do understand that black doesn’t have to play an early Nc6 or never at all in the Sicilian and the Ruy is a muted point because this 1.e4, c5. genius….

TheSampson
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Tiviakov Sicilian, an anti-Sicilian rising in popularity at amateur level

Apparently GothamMess recommends this (a red flag but whatever) and the point is to play f4, Nf3, and surprisingly go for a more open game despite having played the Closed Sicilian

Chuck639
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Tiviakov Sicilian, an anti-Sicilian rising in popularity at amateur level

Apparently GothamMess recommends this (a red flag but whatever) and the point is to play f4, Nf3, and surprisingly go for a more open game despite having played the Closed Sicilian

Don’t play Nc6; problem solved.

You guys are self proclaimed geniuses?

TheSampson
Chuck639 wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

You don't understand who you're dealing with @MadMusketeer. Scrumpty Dumpty is a genius chess player who has managed to refute the Sicilian and the Ruy Lopez.

You do understand that black doesn’t have to play an early Nc6 or never at all in the Sicilian and the Ruy is a muted point because this 1.e4, c5. genius….

But you don’t understand: Scrumpty Dumpty is one of the geniuses of the chess world. Refuting mountains of engine-level theory, he has unlocked the greatest potential of our chess god, GothamChess. His greatest advisor, he is now at the top of the chess world, and plans to stay there. His word is gospel: his wisdom truth.

TheSampson
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Tiviakov Sicilian, an anti-Sicilian rising in popularity at amateur level

Apparently GothamMess recommends this (a red flag but whatever) and the point is to play f4, Nf3, and surprisingly go for a more open game despite having played the Closed Sicilian

Don’t play Nc6; problem solved.

You guys are self proclaimed geniuses?

Ok? It’s not like, a dangerous weapon lol it’s just an anti-Sicilian

And I’m ranking them based off of the quality of the opening, not how often you’re gonna get it

Chuck639
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

You don't understand who you're dealing with @MadMusketeer. Scrumpty Dumpty is a genius chess player who has managed to refute the Sicilian and the Ruy Lopez.

You do understand that black doesn’t have to play an early Nc6 or never at all in the Sicilian and the Ruy is a muted point because this 1.e4, c5. genius….

But you don’t understand: Scrumpty Dumpty is one of the geniuses of the chess world. Refuting mountains of engine-level theory, he has unlocked the greatest potential of our chess god, GothamChess. His greatest advisor, he is now at the top of the chess world, and plans to stay there. His word is gospel: his wisdom truth.

Yeah, I have a relationship with this engine as well as do others and neither of you geniuses speak the truth because it’s a different language code you speak between one another.

It’s not that hard to figure out…

Chuck639
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Tiviakov Sicilian, an anti-Sicilian rising in popularity at amateur level

Apparently GothamMess recommends this (a red flag but whatever) and the point is to play f4, Nf3, and surprisingly go for a more open game despite having played the Closed Sicilian

Don’t play Nc6; problem solved.

You guys are self proclaimed geniuses?

Ok? It’s not like, a dangerous weapon lol it’s just an anti-Sicilian

And I’m ranking them based off of the quality of the opening, not how often you’re gonna get it

Why would you book yourself to the teeth at 900?

It’s a waste of time.

Apparently Levy is living rent free in your head….

Chuck639
KingVandheer wrote:

I gotta agree on the Levy thing ngl. If you had (I dont neccesarily mean OP but, still) just dedicated to tactical training in the time you were bashing Levy you would be 200 higher.

Try at least 1800 rapid rated.

I don’t even see 80% of the garbage they talk of in my own Sicilian Games.

Ethan_Brollier
Chuck639 wrote:

Try at least 1800 rapid rated.

I don’t even see 80% of the crap they talk of in the Sicilian Game.

Yeah me neither. In my time as Black I saw 40% 2. Nc3 (btw, NOT THE BEST WAY TO PLAY THE CLOSED SICILIAN), 40% 2. d4/c3 (it’s all the same to me, I don’t know the Morra refutation so I play the Alapin transposition), and 20% 2. Nf3, maybe. No other sidelines, no nothing. 
As White when I used to play e4, it was ALWAYS the Najdorf and nobody played it well (note to my old opponents back in the 1400s: I should not be able to checkmate you in the Najdorf on move 12. It shouldn’t happen. Ever). I played so so so many Nadorfs, ZERO Classicals, ZERO Scheveningens, ZERO Sveshnikovs, a smattering of Taimanovs and Kans, a Dragon here or there, a few hundred more Najdorfs, and then the few odd Lowenthal or Katalimov games.

TheSampson
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Tiviakov Sicilian, an anti-Sicilian rising in popularity at amateur level

Apparently GothamMess recommends this (a red flag but whatever) and the point is to play f4, Nf3, and surprisingly go for a more open game despite having played the Closed Sicilian

Don’t play Nc6; problem solved.

You guys are self proclaimed geniuses?

Ok? It’s not like, a dangerous weapon lol it’s just an anti-Sicilian

And I’m ranking them based off of the quality of the opening, not how often you’re gonna get it

Why would you book yourself to the teeth at 900?

It’s a waste of time.

Apparently Levy is living rent free in your head….

What’s the point in your comment? You’re changing the topic to something unrelated every two seconds and it’s confusing

I love playing the Sicilian and I’ve already learned everything I need to know. I love playing its positions and I feel comfortable in its lines.

Chuck639
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Tiviakov Sicilian, an anti-Sicilian rising in popularity at amateur level

Apparently GothamMess recommends this (a red flag but whatever) and the point is to play f4, Nf3, and surprisingly go for a more open game despite having played the Closed Sicilian

Don’t play Nc6; problem solved.

You guys are self proclaimed geniuses?

Ok? It’s not like, a dangerous weapon lol it’s just an anti-Sicilian

And I’m ranking them based off of the quality of the opening, not how often you’re gonna get it

Why would you book yourself to the teeth at 900?

It’s a waste of time.

Apparently Levy is living rent free in your head….

What’s the point in your comment? You’re changing the topic to something unrelated every two seconds and it’s confusing

I love playing the Sicilian and I’ve already learned everything I need to know. I love playing its positions and I feel comfortable in its lines.

You have learned everything your need to know?

Do they play into your comfortable Sicilian lines at the 700-900 range? Don’t flatter yourself because it’s not of your Sicilian Game or Superior knowledge…It’s just simple math of adding up the blunders and misses….

TheSampson
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

No Italian aka Bowdler Attack?

Out of that list, I see the open Sicilian a minority of the time, the Alapin and Closed Sicilian odd times; nothing to lose sleep over….

#2 don’t play the old variation; problem solved.

#3 is that a typo? Never heard of it

#3 is the Tiviakov Sicilian, an anti-Sicilian rising in popularity at amateur level

Apparently GothamMess recommends this (a red flag but whatever) and the point is to play f4, Nf3, and surprisingly go for a more open game despite having played the Closed Sicilian

Don’t play Nc6; problem solved.

You guys are self proclaimed geniuses?

Ok? It’s not like, a dangerous weapon lol it’s just an anti-Sicilian

And I’m ranking them based off of the quality of the opening, not how often you’re gonna get it

Why would you book yourself to the teeth at 900?

It’s a waste of time.

Apparently Levy is living rent free in your head….

What’s the point in your comment? You’re changing the topic to something unrelated every two seconds and it’s confusing

I love playing the Sicilian and I’ve already learned everything I need to know. I love playing its positions and I feel comfortable in its lines.

You have learned everything your need to know?

Do they play into your comfortable Sicilian lines at the 700-900 range? Don’t flatter yourself because it’s not of your Sicilian Game or Superior knowledge…It’s just simple math of adding up the blunders and misses….

Admittedly, I have gone into few games where I’ve gone into lines that I prepared 20 moves of theory for: which is why I’ve gotten used to the plans and gotten comfortable positions. I do well with the Sicilian nonetheless.

I’ve studied middlegame and endgame content a lot and I plan to do more.