Godspawn wrote:
polydiatonic wrote:
Godspawn wrote: Its vicerally Vacuous!! "........ ......... Good one!
I get off a good one every now and then...
Spawn, that was more than good. That was an "instant classic".
Vacuous really, I think it is vacuous to say that..
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Jun 4, 2011
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#23
planeden wrote:
polydiatonic wrote:
planeden wrote:
america just takes openings and then renames them. like the freedom defence 1. e4 e6.
I thought it was the "fried freedom defence". But that's a joke, right? :)
it was supposed to be.
of course, then i found your other thread about it where things should be renamed fischer openings and the hungarian's (benko?) should be american because he lived here or something.
Okay, I'll come clean here, first of all when I responded to your post here, I forgot which thread I was in and I answered in the context of the other thread 
Secondly your description is a huge misunderstanding about what that other thread is about. I was not saying anything SHOULD be renamed after an american. I was saying that I find it a bit surprising that almost every major chess playing country, so to speak, has an opening named after it. To wit:
French, dutch, english, spanish, polish, russian...etc....
But there are no actual openings that carry an "american" tag. I know that there are variations associated and named for various americans (Morphy defense of the ruy lopez/spanish game), Marshall gambit (of the ruy/spanish), etc...
But there is no "American defense" or "american game". I'm not advocating for one, I'm simply asking why this is the case and whether or not there might be an opening that ought to be justfiably re named in that way...
You can look here if you're interested:
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/american-opening-or-defense?page=1
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/D51_Queens_Gambit_Declined_Manhattan_Variation
How about this one - some try to call this one the American Defense on the Internet.
Jun 4, 2011
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#25
polydiatonic wrote:
Okay, I'll come clean here, first of all when I responded to your post here, I forgot which thread I was in and I answered in the context of the other thread
Secondly your description is a huge misunderstanding about what that other thread is about. I was not saying anything SHOULD be renamed after an american. I was saying that I find it a bit surprising that almost every major chess playing country, so to speak, has an opening named after it. To wit:
apologies. i was not trying to put any of those thoughts in your mouth. the freedom defense was a total joke. then i saw the other thread and thought people were taking it seriously. so, the second comment was more of a joke on myself for possibly sassing my way into what others thought to be true. not uncommon in my little world here.
Jun 4, 2011
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#26
planeden wrote:
polydiatonic wrote:
Okay, I'll come clean here, first of all when I responded to your post here, I forgot which thread I was in and I answered in the context of the other thread
Secondly your description is a huge misunderstanding about what that other thread is about. I was not saying anything SHOULD be renamed after an american. I was saying that I find it a bit surprising that almost every major chess playing country, so to speak, has an opening named after it. To wit:
apologies. i was not trying to put any of those thoughts in your mouth. the freedom defense was a total joke. then i saw the other thread and thought people were taking it seriously. so, the second comment was more of a joke on myself for possibly sassing my way into what others thought to be true. not uncommon in my little world here.
no worries, thanks for checking in...
Jun 4, 2011
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#27
BirdBrain wrote:
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/D51_Queens_Gambit_Declined_Manhattan_Variation
How about this one - some try to call this one the American Defense on the Internet.
Really it's being called the "American Defense" and not the American Defense to the "Queens Gambit"? Either way you could post this to the other thread where people are actually having a rather interesting discussion about this...
Jun 4, 2011
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#28
polydiatonic wrote:
BirdBrain wrote:
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/D51_Queens_Gambit_Declined_Manhattan_Variation
How about this one - some try to call this one the American Defense on the Internet.
Really it's being called the "American Defense" and not the American Defense to the "Queens Gambit"? Either way you could post this to the other thread where people are actually having a rather interesting discussion about this...
as opposed to here where i am just trying to get my foot out of my mouth - hahaha
Jun 4, 2011
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#29
planeden wrote:
polydiatonic wrote:
BirdBrain wrote:
http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/D51_Queens_Gambit_Declined_Manhattan_Variation
How about this one - some try to call this one the American Defense on the Internet.
Really it's being called the "American Defense" and not the American Defense to the "Queens Gambit"? Either way you could post this to the other thread where people are actually having a rather interesting discussion about this...
as opposed to here where i am just trying to get my foot out of my mouth - hahaha
I'm not sure why people are having a problem distinguising between an opening and a variation of an opening. If you look at the other thread you'll see I find myself explaining this distinction to people who are apparently very strong players with a lot of experience.
I guess I could...
Jun 4, 2011
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#32
i am not informed enough to truly discuss openings. so i will make this comment here, in secret(ish). just fyi, this is my serious face. chess is really old and america isn't. were most of the named openings around before america was? when did america really start showing its stripes on the chess circuit? (oh, see, i don't know openings, history, or masters...or how to play well, for that matter, but that is entirely different).
i guess what i am saying is it just possible that no americans were good enough to invent openings (as in someone else already beat them to it).
Jun 4, 2011
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#33
It is an interesting point. Morphy was the first American champion in the mid 1800's.
Jun 5, 2011
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#34
polydiatonic wrote:
It is an interesting point. Morphy was the first American champion in the mid 1800's.
the morphy's romance opening?
Many of the main openings were around long before America came to be what it is. So yes, you are correct in that regard. Maybe someone can throw us a hambone with something like a3 ;-) (BTW, that is already taken, Anderrsen's opening).
Jun 5, 2011
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#36
Being of Dutch heritage, and an Amrican (US), I know that the Dutch had vacuums in the 16th century and electric vacuums were invented by a haberdasher in Cleveland in 1937.
Hope this answers all disputes. Case closed!!!
Jun 5, 2011
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#37
Polydiatonic, your name says you are some kind of chemist or math buff, can you prove that your something a doc found in a test tube?
Jun 5, 2011
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#38
pawnzischeme wrote:
Being of Dutch heritage, and an Amrican (US), I know that the Dutch had vacuums in the 16th century and electric vacuums were invented by a haberdasher in Cleveland in 1937.
Hope this answers all disputes. Case closed!!!
The dutch really have invented quite a few things that have been impactful on the human race. I give them credit for that and I'm also a great admirer or some of your artists through out history.
Jun 5, 2011
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#39
Vacuous wrote:
Polydiatonic, your name says you are some kind of chemist or math buff, can you prove that your something a doc found in a test tube?
Can you translate your post into something resembling an actual question? If so I might try to give you an answer.
Jun 5, 2011
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#40
Ok you keep saying that a late f5 cannot be a Dutch, however in Chess literature there is often a mention of the concept of transposition, the conversion of one opening into a position reachable by another.
So did Anand transpose into a Dutch system or is f5 always played in the Queens Indian defense ?
Another Question ...
My game did not use the correct move ordering (my memory failed) so does the opening I used here class as a Dutch defense or a failed Dutch defense?
america just takes openings and then renames them. like the freedom defence 1. e4 e6.
I thought it was the "fried freedom defence". But that's a joke, right? :)
it was supposed to be.
of course, then i found your other thread about it where things should be renamed fischer openings and the hungarian's (benko?) should be american because he lived here or something.