Van Geet Opening

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theluchnik

has anyone good idea about Van Geet Opening Repertoire.
Also some good transpositions like
1. Veresov attack
2.Vienna game/Gambit
3. Jobava London

4.Chigorin

Yigor

There is also the transition to Closed Scandinavian:

 

 

Yigor

However, the most popular transition is to Closed Sicilian peshka.png:

 

 

sndeww

Just play 1.Nc3 followed by e4, and you’re golden. Of course there are alternatives like 2.d3, 2.Nf3, 2.g3, 2.d4, etc, but e4 is simplest.

tygxc

Also French 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nxe4 e6
Caro-Kann 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nxe4 c6
Most critical 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 d4

darkunorthodox88

if you are only going to play 1.nc3 for transpositions, then you are better served with 1.nf3

the main purpose to play 1.nc3 is to explore unorthodox lines with independent value. This is  not to say that transposing to well known lines is a mistake however, and in fact, the best approach is likely a combination of independent lines and some transpositions.

Yigor
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

if you are only going to play 1.nc3 for transpositions, then you are better served with 1.nf3

the main purpose to play 1.nc3 is to explore unorthodox lines with independent value. This is  not to say that transposing to well known lines is a mistake however, and in fact, the best approach is likely a combination of independent lines and some transpositions.

 

Could U give an example of a good unorthodox line starting with 1. Nc3 ? tongue.png

darkunorthodox88
Yigor wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

if you are only going to play 1.nc3 for transpositions, then you are better served with 1.nf3

the main purpose to play 1.nc3 is to explore unorthodox lines with independent value. This is  not to say that transposing to well known lines is a mistake however, and in fact, the best approach is likely a combination of independent lines and some transpositions.

 

Could U give an example of a good unorthodox line starting with 1. Nc3 ?

1.nc3 c5 2.nf3 intending for early d4 nxd4 but without  early e4
1.nc3 d5 2.e4 d4 (no scandi players, this is not your line, you dont have it copyrighted).
1.nc3 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.d4 (no this is not a scotch, not having committed to e4 just yet makes a big difference).

Yigor
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

1.nc3 c5 2.nf3 intending for early d4 nxd4 but without  early e4

 

Ok, thanks blitz.png, it (with 1...c5/d5) could be called Mexican attack. peshka.png

cf. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/mexican-attack-is-also-playable

 

darkunorthodox88
Yigor wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

1.nc3 c5 2.nf3 intending for early d4 nxd4 but without  early e4

 

Ok, thanks , it (with 1...c5/d5) could be called Mexican attack.

cf. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/mexican-attack-is-also-playable

 

not a fan. This is a mikenas defense a move up. But the problem is, in the mikenas, black ought to delay the development of the king knight because 1.it is good to have the queen diagonal unblocked in some lines and 2. they are plenty of lines where black shoudnt commit the king knight early, as sometimes, its best on f6 but sometimes, black ought to play f6 and nh6-f7. Your mexican attack already commits knight to f3 prematurely.

Yigor
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
1.nc3 d5 2.e4 d4 (no scandi players, this is not your line, you dont have it copyrighted).

 

However, it's a variaton of the Closed Scandinavian (cf. my post #2 above). 😎

darkunorthodox88
Yigor wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
1.nc3 d5 2.e4 d4 (no scandi players, this is not your line, you dont have it copyrighted).

 

However, it's a variaton of the Closed Scandinavian (cf. my post #2 above). 😎

who you think gets priority as naming convention, a rare secondary line in an secondary opening or the main line of another opening.

This is the Van geet opening. Every opening of 1.nc3 acknowledges it as such.

Yigor
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

who you think gets priority as naming convention, a rare secondary line in an secondary opening or the main line of another opening.

This is the Van geet opening. Every opening of 1.nc3 acknowledges it as such.

 

All right, it sounds as a valid argument. 😎

Yigor
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
1.nc3 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.d4 (no this is not a scotch, not having committed to e4 just yet makes a big difference).

 

Ok, this one is called Van Geet: Napoleon attack. peshka.png

darkunorthodox88
Yigor wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
1.nc3 e5 2.nf3 nc6 3.d4 (no this is not a scotch, not having committed to e4 just yet makes a big difference).

 

Ok, this one is called Van Geet: Napoleon attack.

As you can see, this is no mere scotch! Lots of lines with plenty of traps and independent significance



ChessBeginner35

With the Van Geet opening, I like to do a reversed King's Indian Attack:

It works pretty well, too.

pfren
tygxc έγραψε:

Also French 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nxe4 e6
Caro-Kann 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nxe4 c6
Most critical 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 d4

 

Why should Black play 3...e6 or 3...c6 after 3.Nxe4?

Black has several good caro approaches (3...Bf5, 3...Nd7 and 3...Nf6) without bothering putting a pawn at c6.

Yigor
ChessBeginner35 wrote:

With the Van Geet opening, I like to do a reversed King's Indian Attack:

It works pretty well, too.

 

It's rather opposite KIA = a variant of QIA. Reversed KIA = KID. peshka.png

 

Yigor
pfren wrote:

Why should Black play 3...e6 or 3...c6 after 3.Nxe4?

Black has several good caro approaches (3...Bf5, 3...Nd7 and 3...Nf6) without bothering putting a pawn at c6.

 

Right. 3...e5 is good too (and probably the most natural move here). settings.pngpeshka.png

 

 

darkunorthodox88
Yigor wrote:
pfren wrote:

Why should Black play 3...e6 or 3...c6 after 3.Nxe4?

Black has several good caro approaches (3...Bf5, 3...Nd7 and 3...Nf6) without bothering putting a pawn at c6.

 

Right. 3...e5 is good too (and probably the most natural move here).

 

 

e5 is playable but very dangerous after bc4. ITs very easy for black to get knocked out quickly.

for example 4.bc4 nf6 5.ng5!
4.bc4  be7 5.qh5!