What are your opinions on the Birds opening?

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DasBurner
btickler wrote:
Preusseagro wrote:

Easy to kill with From

No, you can just transpose to King's Gambit if the From Gambit is played.

The poster above me is essentially correct.

is that really a good thing for white though?

DiogenesDue
DaBabysSideTing wrote:
btickler wrote:
Preusseagro wrote:

Easy to kill with From

No, you can just transpose to King's Gambit if the From Gambit is played.

The poster above me is essentially correct.

is that really a good thing for white though?

Doesn't matter.  The post essentially says that the From refutes the Bird and "kills" it...but it doesn't.  It merely equalizes like many other options.

Iron-Toad

If 1.f4 e5, accept the gambit.  I don't like to transpose to King's Gambit because of 2...d5.

DiogenesDue

I've played the Sturm as well, not that I knew it was called that at the time wink.png.  

You can also essentially play a viable opening simply by advancing one of the c/d/e/f pawns, letting Black respond with their own c/d/e/f pawn, then just playing forth another c/d/e/f pawn that does not invite capture, and then playing with basic opening principles.  I have tried this exercise many times.

ShamusMcFlannigan
melvinbluestone wrote:

On the subterranean level where I am, you can get some good games with this line.

  A lot of players look for a theoretical advantage and lose it as soon as they step out of theory. I'd argue the point of playing white as a non professional is to get to an interesting position you enjoy and can play well.  Pretty much any reasonable opening will fit that bill.  

ShamusMcFlannigan
Preusseagro wrote:
btickler hat geschrieben:
DaBabysSideTing wrote:
btickler wrote:
Preusseagro wrote:

Easy to kill with From

No, you can just transpose to King's Gambit if the From Gambit is played.

The poster above me is essentially correct.

is that really a good thing for white though?

Doesn't matter.  The post essentially says that the From refutes the Bird and "kills" it...but it doesn't.  It merely equalizes like many other options.

I can asure you i can kill most of the players with it

Does that make the Staunton Gambit a forced win?

ChampoftheBepoCamp

I used to play the bird/dutch... since its offbeat lel, I got from 1200s to 1400+ rapid in 2 weeks with THE POWER OF THE BIRD; tbh this was probably cuz I was just grinding and not because of the opening but whatever fits the narrative!!

OttoMesiter
tygxc wrote:

It is good. It is a Dutch Defence with an extra tempo. Played by Larsen and Carsen. If you play Dutch as black then Bird as white makes sense.

Yeah makes sensethumbup.png

OttoMesiter
Foolsmateinfinity wrote:

I used to play the bird/dutch... since its offbeat lel, I got from 1200s to 1400+ rapid in 2 weeks with THE POWER OF THE BIRD; tbh this was probably cuz I was just grinding and not because of the opening but whatever fits the narrative!!

Yeah offbeat openings can give you good particle skills!

ShamusMcFlannigan
Preusseagro wrote:
ShamusMcFlannigan hat geschrieben:
Preusseagro wrote:
btickler hat geschrieben:
DaBabysSideTing wrote:
btickler wrote:
Preusseagro wrote:

Easy to kill with From

No, you can just transpose to King's Gambit if the From Gambit is played.

The poster above me is essentially correct.

is that really a good thing for white though?

Doesn't matter.  The post essentially says that the From refutes the Bird and "kills" it...but it doesn't.  It merely equalizes like many other options.

I can asure you i can kill most of the players with it

Does that make the Staunton Gambit a forced win?

Depends on what you mean with forced. And i think you got confused. Staunton is with white with d4 f5 e4. 

f4 e5 is From

That's the point actually.   The From is a Staunton a tempo behind.  After 1.f4 e5 if black were allowed to play d5 for free he would have a reversed Staunton.  The move d5 would gain black more space and faster development.  The Staunton actually isn't too bad, but would I gambit a pawn and give my opponent an extra move to boot? Probably not.

ChampoftheBepoCamp

Larsen(who*)

Carsen only played a few games tbh... appeal to world champion!! I am sold!! FEAR THE BIRD

ShamusMcFlannigan
Preusseagro wrote:
OttoMister hat geschrieben:
tygxc wrote:

It is good. It is a Dutch Defence with an extra tempo. Played by Larsen and Carsen. If you play Dutch as black then Bird as white makes sense.

Yeah makes sense

The extra tempo is an disadvanaage for white sincce black did not comited to d5

Could you give us the line that you like for black?

ShamusMcFlannigan
Preusseagro wrote:

For example the Stonwall setup

Having more control over the center. As a former Stonewall Dutch defeence player i would have problems figuring out too not fall behind very fast.

That would be my basic setup. For Leningrad or Classic aporaches you would have to play against me and then we could post it here for others to see. 

 I thought you were claiming that the From was a refutation to the Bird?  

ShamusMcFlannigan
Preusseagro wrote:
ShamusMcFlannigan hat geschrieben:
Preusseagro wrote:

For example the Stonwall setup

Having more control over the center. As a former Stonewall Dutch defeence player i would have problems figuring out too not fall behind very fast.

That would be my basic setup. For Leningrad or Classic aporaches you would have to play against me and then we could post it here for others to see. 

 I thought you were claiming that the From was a refutation to the Bird?  

I tought you were asking a line for of post 43: were i was answering them in General

If you want something for From then here

Since i dont know were you would derivate as white i played 10 moves.

And to be precise this i would play. The other line i gave was to show an diferent aproach of relaying on the fact tha d5 was not played
 

I would take white in that position. There are a couple traps to avoid, but if he does than black is going to struggle.