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What do I do as a London system player against the Englund gambit

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JugglingJellyJester
Dec 19, 2022
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#21

The easiest thing to do:

 

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llama36
Dec 19, 2022
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#22
nighteyes1234 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
pfren wrote:
nighteyes1234 wrote:

 

You guys dont make sense...but anyways. Its funny that you would still post on it.

 

You might be surprised, but we do not post here to make sense to idiots.

 

ROFLMAO!  Good one!  And the truth too!

Not mr. b4 is the best opening.

Or should we take a replay from 'f4 is fine...no its horrible' pfren

Its a different space...you know like what is strategy and no one could answer. Embarrassing.

3.f4 is a nonsense move. Frankly, you're rated too high to suggest it.

Like someone else mentioned, there is basically only one trick to this opening... so as white do whatever you want as long as it isn't falling for that.

And since white can do whatever they want, they wont be playing 3.f4, because that's silly.

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IM pfren
Dec 20, 2022
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#23

After 3.f4? something like 3...d6 (I think it's preferrable to 3...f6 because it gives Black bigger piece mobility) 4.exd6 Bxd6 Black already has excellent compensation with something like ...Qe7, ...Bg4 and ...0-0-0 in mind. Perhaps white should refrain from 4.exd6 and play 4.e4, but then he/she cannot claim any sort of advantage.

And there is no need for "illustrative games" to show that such an unpricipled move like 3.f4? cannot be good. Opening principles are quite enough. 3.Nf3 is the logical and principled way to play.

 

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nighteyes1234
Dec 20, 2022
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#24
llama36 wrote:
 

3.f4 is a nonsense move. Frankly, you're rated too high to suggest it.

I know....a GM says its nothing and sells it. Now he lost like 9 of 10 games...never mind that I suppose.  1 e4 nc6 2 d4 e5 3 dxe5....

But the point of mentioning f4 was holding onto the pawn. Which was about his rating and there are 3 courses of action. You believe to just memorize this move. A steady diet of tricks and who knows what. Maybe his limit is 600 I dont know.

And so really there is no stupid answer and no stupid question.

 

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AtaChess68
Dec 24, 2022
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#25
OP is a London player. So take the pawn and then play 3. Bf4.

The thing to remember is to retreat that bishop to to Bd2 if black plays …Qb4+.

At my level and below black then always takes …Qxb2. That is not a good move again and white should win the game.
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Sack_o_Potatoes
Dec 24, 2022
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#26

 

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Thy_Sty_Geek
Dec 24, 2022
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#27
IronSteam1 wrote:
pfren wrote:

Wow! Congratulations, you have found a great way for white to equalize in the Englund.

The whole world chess community will be very exhited- no?

Hah! Touché.

Though, it's all about experience level.

I glanced at several of the OP's recent games. In his two most recent games, he placed his queen en prise without provocation.

(Example from one of his games:

I came to the conclusion that the standard response against the Englund would be too tactical for him to grasp, at this current point in his chess journey.

So I offered a simpler approach, instead.

Hey, thanks for responding to that question I had about a week ago. Kinda embarrased by those queen bunders, especially since the person I was playing was in the same room lol. But I'd still be intersted about that line against the Englund because even if I might not use is right away, I would like to be able to know I have it so that when I feel ready, I can learn and play it.

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Thy_Sty_Geek
Dec 24, 2022
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#28
pfren wrote:

Take the free pawn, thank the opponent for his generosity and stop playing freaking "setups".

That poor London is a pretty good opening, but it is suffering terribly in the hands of "systematic" players which are playing the same moves without paying any attention to what the opponent is doing, and (naturally enough) getting miserable positions with that approach.

You can look at something like that:

 

While I do not think this will be of much use at your current level, you may look at it when you have learned to play normal, and not "systematic" chess.

 

I like those kind of openings just because I don't like to spend too much time thinking in the opening, but I've been looking up some of the strongest opponents moves so that I can react the best way against them and hopefully not end up in terrible situations. Openings like the London also give me a clearer plan in the middle game, and instead of trading left and right, I know which trades are better even if it's equal material. And tbh, playing e4 is scary because that's what most people in lower ratings play and what most people are prepared against. And I personally perfer closed positions than open positions. But idk, you're the IM here so what opening should I try looking into?

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MikkelinTarzan
3 days ago
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#29

Could you just capture the first free pawn and then start playing immediately towards Kings Indian setup, Ive tried this and Englund players don't seem to get strong attack. Just dont try to hold on to the 1 pawn advantage and you seem to get much more organized games out of Englund start.

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Just_an_average_player136
3 days ago
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#30

I just take the pawn because I know all their tricks

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Tama201463
3 days ago
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#31

Hi