What do you think of the Colle System

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1 e4 is dull by comparison.

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NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
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A nice game I played today, not a colle, but the structure is essentially the same as is the plans

Never have I seen a Tromposky played this way. I was following the moves and the database would jump between various games through one transposition after another, but it never stayed on one game in that order. Then it disappeared from the database on move 8, then popped back up on move 10.  It then disappeared on 11 but popped back up on 13 only to disappear forever on 14. It was kind of funny.

Huh interesting 

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Optimissed wrote:

1 e4 is dull by comparison.

No. 1. e4 opens up a world of possibilities for the tactical player. There's a reason why Bobby Fischer almost never played 1. d4!

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I think the reason for that was that despite Bobby Fischer being a superb player, he didn't enjoy the complexity of d4 openings, compared with the comparitive clarity and simplicity of 1. e4 openings. And it would have meant too much preparation in less tactical situations, which he enjoyed less. Nothing at all to do with relative strengths of 1 e4 and 1 d4. Just that 1. e4 usually brings tactics quicker.

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Optimissed wrote:

I think the reason for that was that despite Bobby Fischer being a superb player, he didn't enjoy the complexity of d4 openings, compared with the comparitive clarity and simplicity of 1. e4 openings. And it would have meant too much preparation in less tactical situations, which he enjoyed less. Nothing at all to do with relative strengths of 1 e4 and 1 d4. Just that 1. e4 usually brings tactics quicker.

I agree. However, I do not think the Sicilian Defense after 1. e4 can be described as "clear or simple"! 

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Of course, there's a great deal of theory, due to all the different variations that either side can play.

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Far less passive than the London. Colle is an aggressive attacking system. It's related to the Stonewall attack but far more flexible. Still has the same weakness .... if black can get the light squared bishops off.

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Optimissed wrote:

I think the reason for that was that despite Bobby Fischer being a superb player, he didn't enjoy the complexity of d4 openings, compared with the comparitive clarity and simplicity of 1. e4 openings. And it would have meant too much preparation in less tactical situations, which he enjoyed less. Nothing at all to do with relative strengths of 1 e4 and 1 d4. Just that 1. e4 usually brings tactics quicker.

I think this is being over thought. By Occams razor I believe Fischer just liked the position after e4 better than d4.

A lot of us say stupid things regarding openings as well.

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Where did Occam's Razor come into it?

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Oh right, I get what you mean. You brought it in because it's parsimony of unknowns. I suppose I tend to want to get into people's minds.

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Optimissed wrote:

Far less passive than the London. Colle is an aggressive attacking system. It's related to the Stonewall attack but far more flexible. Still has the same weakness .... if black can get the light squared bishops off.

I highly doubt it is an aggressive attacking system. 

Really? What is it then? happy.png

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In context, what's the Stonewall Attack? How does it appear to you?

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The Stonewall doesn't lose though. I could post two recent 3-day Daily games, one a win for myself as black and one a loss, as a pointer to the kind of mistakes either side can make. Both against someone 50 points or so stronger than me.

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This was my loss. Perhaps I was over-confident but I wanted to see if a double fianchetto would work, lost concentration and fouled up badly. Sometimes, it can be hard in these three day games to keep concentration for months on end.

 

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Looking at it later, I realised that perhaps d6 was better than d5 but I wanted to try it with d5. Next time I'll play d6 for a sharper game.

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I'll stick with posting that because it should give you a laugh. I played badly. But the one I won, I think I played it very near perfectly, even if the stupid analysis tool doesn't agree and wanted me to make moves that probably only drew.

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Fun fact: The Colle is pronounced as "Col" not "Collie" as in the dog breed...

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Far less passive than the London. Colle is an aggressive attacking system. It's related to the Stonewall attack but far more flexible. Still has the same weakness .... if black can get the light squared bishops off.

I highly doubt it is an aggressive attacking system. 

Really? What is it then?

An extremely passive system, a London player who got destroyed and wanted to try something "unknown" and "new".

funniest thing ive read on this thread

it all depends on how people play it. When played correctly it's (at worst) as good as the slav, which has a stellar reputation. 

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

In context, what's the Stonewall Attack? How does it appear to you?

Overly aggressive. In most Colle positions, f4 is rarely played.

lol

it's regarded as black's best dutch for its solidity. 

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ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Nah, the Slav is much better than you think.

Ok, so it must be more than stellar. What are you even saying?