ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Nah, the Slav is much better than you think.
Ok, so it must be more than stellar. What are you even saying?
What do you think of the Colle System
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Jan 25, 2022
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#43
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
The Stonewall doesn't lose though. I could post two recent 3-day Daily games, one a win for myself as black and one a loss, as a pointer to the kind of mistakes either side can make. Both against someone 50 points or so stronger than me.
It's either your 2 daily games or the database and my GM coach who trained a world champion. Your pick.
Magnus carlsen once said that to get to wesley so's level you only needed tactics, but to get to world championship contender level you'd need more.
Jan 25, 2022
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#44
I mean the general way to beat the stonewall is to maintain tight control over e5 if possible, sometimes white wants to play cd5 but a lot of the times he should simply expand on the queenside at an opportune moment. If black's dark squared bishop is traded off then he's usually worse at best.
A kingside attack in the stonewall usually involves pawns, and not using pieces only like what your opponent did in the game.
Jan 26, 2022
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#46
Optimissed wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
I mean the general way to beat the stonewall is to maintain tight control over e5 if possible, sometimes white wants to play cd5 but a lot of the times he should simply expand on the queenside at an opportune moment. If black's dark squared bishop is traded off then he's usually worse at best.
A kingside attack in the stonewall usually involves pawns, and not using pieces only like what your opponent did in the game.
Not control over e5 but control over e4. Controlling e5 isn't so important in the initial stages. The Qc8 move has a triple purpose. It supports Na6 and the e6-f5 diagonal but also it makes a Ne5 ineffective. Although I've found that it's just as playable if black allows a Ne5 to fork black's Q and remaining B, because white just wastes moves and the Ne5 is potentially more useful in attack against f7 than swapping itself for the e7 bishop.
So the strategy for black is to swap off the light squared bishops and then get knight control over e4 by rerouting the a6 knight. White's remaining bishop is weak and slow to get into the game. It's white who is struggling to draw, as happened here.
I was talking about a Dutch stonewall not a reversed stonewall, hence e5 and all the other stuff about dark squares bishops. But yes
The Colle is aggressive
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1279187
#81
The Colle is very aggressive. White gets a violent attack once he has pushed e3-e4 after proper preparation. Here is another example:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1007871
Jan 26, 2022
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#49
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Any opening can be considered "Aggressive" following your methodology.
Ask yourself .... is the Semi-Slav potentially aggressive? The point is that it's so compact and flexible. The c1 bishop acts like an extra, moveable pawn that eventually becomes a bishop but the fact that white doesn't develop it outside the pawn line means there are no targets for black.
It is sometimes really aggressive, the most aggressive opening in chess!
colle is literally a reversed semi slav, so congratulations, you've played yourself.
Jan 26, 2022
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#50
here's the colle setup and semi slav setup. Oh boy. I can't wait to start listing the differences!
Jan 26, 2022
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#51
Preusseagro wrote:
Has someone notice that alot of black defences in generall dont wokr for white very good?
They don't aim for an opening advantage, sure, but that doesn't really matter all that much.
London is just annoying
and to all london players, plz play something thats actually interesting and not just random bishop moves
Jan 26, 2022
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#54
PILOTOXOMXD wrote:
and to all london players, plz play something thats actually interesting and not just random bishop moves
cope + stay mad + skill issue
Jan 26, 2022
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#55
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
here's the colle setup and semi slav setup. Oh boy. I can't wait to start listing the differences!
It doesn't matter if the setup is the same. The initiative is different therefore ruling out tons of the main lines.
If it was the same then I would have nothing against the opening.
i mean white has an extra move so it can't be any worse than black.
Jan 26, 2022
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#56
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
But the ideas for both sides are all off. For example, try playing the Meran as white, or the Botvinnik Variation as black. Impossible.
but you don't need to play the meran or anything as white
Jan 27, 2022
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#57
It's what happens when you get the move order wrong trying to play London, isn't it?
#101
"Colle is far from even played at master level"
That is not true. I showed games where Edgar Colle defeated World Champion Euwe as well as World Championship Challenger Bobolyubov with it. Also Carlsen has occasionally played it.
Jan 27, 2022
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#59
The Colle system was pushed by the Blind champion George Koltanowski
after Colle died in his honor, they used to be friends . . .
That was back when George Koltanowski was prominent in the chess world in the 1940's & 1950's . . .
To me it was a mellow D4 system and not aggressive chess safe chess for white . . .
Jan 27, 2022
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#60
Personally, I used to enjoy the colle because the game could erupt into heavy complications at any time. The only reason why I don't play it anymore is because black is able to equalize fairly easily in sidelines by trading off a lot of pieces, and there isn't a lot of strategical depth in the structure either.
In context, what's the Stonewall Attack? How does it appear to you?
Overly aggressive. In most Colle positions, f4 is rarely played.
lol
it's regarded as black's best dutch for its solidity.