But what about Knight f3?
What is the best response to scandinavian?
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Sep 21, 2023
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#43
TomekPrzemek16 wrote:
Scandinavian is so ridiculous it should actually be banned from chess just like moving your pawn backwards.
It didn't even have a name before. Ages ago, when I started playing, it was called "The Center Counter Defense" and about no one serious played it. I would occasionally play it when I was lazy before a tournament and didn't want to study anything decent. That ended when I got totally clobbered by someone about 1800 back in the 1980s. I don't think I played it since other than in some blitz games.
DrSpudnik wrote:
TomekPrzemek16 wrote:
Scandinavian is so ridiculous it should actually be banned from chess just like moving your pawn backwards.
It didn't even have a name before. Ages ago, when I started playing, it was called "The Center Counter Defense" and about no one serious played it. I would occasionally play it when I was lazy before a tournament and didn't want to study anything decent. That ended when I got totally clobbered by someone about 1800 back in the 1980s. I don't think I played it since other than in some blitz games.
i still call it the center counter defense just to disrespect the opening and whoever plays it
looking through all these responses, I see that the majority of them do not allow black to make the best moves. IM John Bartholomew uses the Scandinavian regularly. I play the Scandinavian and have had some good games.
I am currently playing a daily game against a 2210 player that started as a Scandinavian but then transposed to a cross between a classical Caro kann and a Blackmar Diemer gambit.
chessterd5 wrote:
I am currently playing a daily game against a 2210 player that started as a Scandinavian but then transposed to a cross between a classical Caro kann and a Blackmar Diemer gambit.
was going to ask how YOU feel facing the BDG
I do fine with it on EITHER SIDE of the scandinavian myself.
I feel fine about it. I play it like a CaroKann. I don't take the second pawn on f3. I think it gives white the initiative. it is weird because unlike the CaroKann black has play on the f file.
Kyobir wrote:
I swear Knight f3 is the best response
STATISTICALLY 3.Nc3 has the best stats. I have winning stats against 2.Nf3, sometimes trapping the knight, but the WORST stats after d5 is accepted followed by 4.d4 i hate that line more than any other
Sep 24, 2023
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1983B-Boy wrote:
Kyobir wrote:
I swear Knight f3 is the best response
STATISTICALLY 3.Nc3 has the best stats. I have winning stats against 2.Nf3, sometimes trapping the knight, but the WORST stats after d5 is accepted followed by 4.d4 i hate that line more than any other
Sep 25, 2023
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#53
I like danya's speed run recommendation. Against the qxd5 line, you play Nc3 followed by g3, Bg2, Nge2,d3, 0-0, a3, and b4. Idea is to expand on the queenside. This freaks scandi players out because few players like this
it's a good line for white. Bg2 adds a different continuation to the game but it still continues. a3 and b4 aren't that scary once you understand the reason why white plays it. a little while back, there was a big discussion about white playing Ne5 in the Scandinavian. it's nothing new. I have reference lines for that move in my MCO 12 from 1982.
Sep 25, 2023
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#55
publius121 wrote:
I like danya's speed run recommendation. Against the qxd5 line, you play Nc3 followed by g3, Bg2, Nge2,d3, 0-0, a3, and b4. Idea is to expand on the queenside. This freaks scandi players out because few players like this
I like this line, too. Sometimes I don't even bother with a3 and play b4 immediately. This is a known pawn sac in the Scandi, and often leads to a lot of tactical fun.
# 61, good game! that does look like fun. I will study it more closely when I have time.
Recently I was on the black side of a 3...Qa5 Scandinavian against a FM. He resigned after 20 moves but it was a sloppy game on both sides. Chess.com indicates his accuracy was only 68% and mine was a mere 83%. It was opposite sides castling, and sure, it was nice to win against an FM but not confidence building in how I played it. I was in bad trouble at one point and after he let me off the hook I should have lost a piece soon afterwards which would have been the game. I'm using the really good book The Scandinavian for Club Players but when it didn't cover a move my opponent made I immediately went astray.
I don't know how to post a game but it can be found in my most recent finished game against FM rochaaaaaaaaaa. His daily rating is provisional, I'm his only loss after 15 games. The first 8 moves on each side were following the repertoire in my book, but on move 9 he went Bd3 instead of 9 Bc4. The move 9 Bc4 is so as to meet 9...c5 with 10 d5. I thought why not get 9...c5 in now since he doesn't have d5. Sf indicates I should have taken advantage of the Bishop being on d3 by playing 9...Na6 eyeing going 10....Nb4 and if he stops it with 10 a3 then go 10...c5 since I'm better developed to make the push.
#64, nice game unsidesteppable! I will study it more closely later. I am reading the same book and still working out all the little nuances.
chessterd5 wrote:
#64, nice game unsidesteppable! I will study it more closely later. I am reading the same book and still working out all the little nuances.
The game follows pages 104 - 105 in the book. until my opponent varies with the natural looking 9 Bd3. The book only gives 9 Bc4 and the author comments on what the move is for. The author says my opponent's 7 f4 is a novelty in a book wrtten by Negi. During the game I was wondering if my opponent might have Negi's book (I don't have it).
WOW! There's a lot of optimism in that line!!! HAHAHAHA! I no longer play the Qxd5 variation PRECISELY because it invites you to develop pieces against it, I see A LOT of players are neglecting c6. this is going down sidelineville, but some players just don't play it to give the queen her escape route. I always thought it was flat out stupid wasting a tempo on Qa5 and another on c6, where the knight belongs, only to retreat right back where she started.
I see that retreating straight back to d8 is more popular now. I remember thinking THAT's the correct move, even back when no one was playing it 20 years ago. wasting 2 tempi just to retreat back to where you started is an abomination to this gambiteer
7.Bb5 in your variation, isn't the strongest performing move either. 7.Nb5 performs a full 9% better
REGARDLESS... tennison gambit is TRASH!
Yeah, its funny because you just need to be able to play in any line and know the key issues like c6 and when to deviate. That said, it's funny because I can do a lot more with trash than you can with whatever pristine openings you memorized and fail to fully understand. Don't hate the player hate the game. You would literally have to win over fifty games in a row without losing while increasing skill levels to get on my level let alone stay there.
How many Queens have you dropped today?
OH, so you're a self obsessed narcissist troll... got it. they make prozac for that.
I FILTER GM games out in my results. I only study 1600-2000 games and for what I lack in positional understanding because of the way my hates abstractions 157 IQ brain is wired, i make up for tactically with concepts I can VISUALIZE.
that YOU see it as an opening to troll merely shows how sad and pathetic your PEOPLE SKILLS are... and I'm a freakin' VULCAN!
I'm AM world class at playing poker... making 17th place in a 9,000 player round 1 (dropped to 57th trying to win it even though I already had my round 2 ticket), made the final table in a 200 player "best of the best" and only got KOed when I drew AA on an AJJ flop and HAD TO call the JJJAA fidiot who rivered quads. I even took a picture because I KNEW it was going to happen because of that cursed river rat math. I shouldn't have been able to PREDICT that.
otherwise, I solve NASA level problems sometimes.
that, and I'm having a HECK of a time rubbing it in astronomy trolls' faces just HOW WRONG they've ALL BEEN, popping condescending punk attitudes like yours about "math I don't understand" when their math was BUSTED ALL ALONG! HAHAHAHA! eff your magical something out of nothing big bang theories IDIOTS!
always said it was just a super massive black hole (or collection thereof) burping. THAT PERFECTLY explains galaxies that "shouldn't exist" when most of BUSTED big bang theory shouldn't exist with all of its magical unicorn crap instead of the BLATANTLY OBVIOUS.
SOME DAY, theory will include the possibility of "it's just an effing black hole!" big bang theory where the universe ALREADY EXISTED. funny how the FACTS fit MY THEORY that smug idiots liked to talk down to with their PROVEN WRONG now busted math.
golly I hate bragging to put trolls in their place. talk to masterminds... THEY know who the eff I am and how much smarter I am than all of them, in my own plain english, don't need math way... just like the time I effing RE-INVENTED lamborghini's "NACA duct" when I was 3 years old. all grandpa had to do, was explain to me that air acts just like water at speed. so, I tipped his stock car up in my head, poured water on it, and the water splashed on his "aerodynamic" hood scoop, but not when I inverted it to get it out of the way.
I might have abstractions issues with chess little boy, but I am NOT someone you want to get into a battle of the wits with... lest I have to call David Duchovny in to testify. HE knows who I am. So does Andy Sirkis (SUPER nice guy!!!), Janean Garofalo, Terry Gilliam and a couple other celebs that DON'T advertise their celebrity... I'm guessing one of them is Geena Davis, who at 163, can beat me in a TEST.
for what it's worth, Kim Kardashian DID NOT last long hanging out with the other braniacs. when she asked for my opinion of her, I didn't know a dang thing about her.
Yeah I'm the self obsessed narcissist... Tell me more about yourself. But since you decided to talk about yourself instead of the number of Queens you've dropped, I'm going to lean toward an embarrassing number for someone who is "smarter" than everyone on the planet.