What is the best response to scandinavian?

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1Lindamea1
gik-tally написал:

I don't want to play the scandinavian anymore myself. I want to rousseu & jaensish/schliemann if only I could figure out a way to conquer the move order nightmare I was unable to drill my way through much at all in 2 hours of constant wrong moves

this means you don't understand the opening, only memorise. If you know the ideas and the purpose of every move, you are able to figure out all the theory moves by yourself in a game

gik-tally

THAT's why I memorize! I don't understand positional AT ALL! It can't be VISUALIZED like tactics. my brain is allergic to abstraction. I can't even wrap my head around a "simple for everyone else" pawn ending. I tried to in FOUR different books including best lessons of a chess coach. the ONLY time I ever got it, was playing FICS (scheduled NOT on demand!!!) tutorial but a month later when I finally got to a pawn ending... EVERYTHING had long since evaporated.

just like theory, I'd need to keep refreshing myself on it.

mating with a bishop pair? I got that INSTANTLY and can still do it easy.

THAT is why I play gambits! they let me use my TACTICAL skillset and I'm really good at tactics. it also helps me see threats unless I'm so wrapped up in an attack with a frustrating pawn pusher opponent that I stop paying attention to moves that don't look threatening at a glance. I would do much better if I could calm down, but PTSD blurs my logic in intense situations.

the first time I got up to 1650, a decade ago, I eventually developed a calm calculating rhythm where I was constantly calculating on my opponent's clock where I'm back to wait and see mode now.

after giving chess up because no one would create a tree editor/trainer a decade ago BECAUSE of the scandinavian advance, sicilian AND 3.d4 variations along with the stonewall straight jacket, all I did for YEARS was tactics train and improve on what I understand and what makes chess worth playing.

it might be related to my name and number dyslexia. if not that, my muted emotions mastermind personality type. everyone has limitations. outside of chess... the rest of you are blithering idiots to us masterminds filtering EVERYTHING through an irrational emotional filter that PREVENTS problems from getting solved.

chess is mental exercise, especially now that I'm getting old and already have brain damage.

It never ceases to amaze me how you can explain a situation to someone and it goes in one ear and out the other. i'm positionally challenged in the extreme beyond intuition and experience. wish it wasn't like that, but it is what it is. I make up for it with tactics and aggression.

I also play to get games over BEFORE the "end game" where my chances go down and down and down the closer it gets to a pawn ending, and throw games that are cluttered with pawns. it doesn't matter how many times I explain tis SIMPLE CONCEPT, people will STILL keep arguing for me to abandon the tools THAT WORK and adopt ones that DON'T to "improve my ratings".

I know my limitations and strengths.

I PUNISHED a 1750 hard in at least 1 if not 2 games as a 1450-1500 who argued that my "tactical abilities aren't enough to win games with". the one game I remember, he let me push BOTH of my center pawns all the way down the board (seems POSITIONALLY STUPID to me) and then I just overloaded his rooks until I traded everything down and got a winning queen out of it.

I won it "positionally", but I look at position as "what pieces can DO". everyone should know how to rook check a back rank to promote a pawn, whether it's with mystical "controlling squares blah blah blah" positional concepts or simpler "this is how you solve THIS problem" experience.

BTW... thanks ALL YOU TROLLS who attack me because of my cognitive limitations because you're insecure. i'm brutally honest and not ashamed of my CHESS limitations. i'm SOOOO much better at poker, and can't believe how STUPID most players are who can't spot "river rat math" where EVERYONE has to lose.

i got a round 2 ticket in a 9000 player freeroll and was in 17th when I decided to go for it it after I passed the 85th spot needed for the ticket and got knocked out at 57th longballing for the honor of 1st.

round 2... 200 of the alleged "best" players, I drew AA with an AJJ flop... full house aces over jacks on the FINAL TABLE. an opponent goes all in. I have to call. I knew he didn't have me, but I ALSO KNEW he was going to pull a 1:52 on the river and sure enough, I got my camera and took a pic of the hand. I shouldn't be able to see that coming, but when you're ALWAYS getting KOed with 75% winning hands...

at the START of poker stars, when the math was legit, it was a piece of cake to make 3rd or better every other game. I'm a poker grandmaster. but then again... it's EASY... 52 cards... easy to calculate variables, and most players are overly optimistic. I'd argue that many have been PROGRAMMED to be bad chasing rags because it works with busted math. you can't grind grindproof river rat math.

just like the positional frustration that made me drop chess a decade ago, I don't play poker online anymore because the math cheats and rewards idiots for putting money on the table when they shouldn't. i don't play cash games EVER except in a casino. I spotted mark cards at a bar in oregon. I have EXCELLENT spatial and pattern abilities if not math and abstraction. math is a lot easier to learn than it is to understand position. I've never used all that algebra I've forgotten.

I wish I was that good at chess. it's all good. I have other skills.

darkunorthodox88
AngryPuffer wrote:
TomekPrzemek16 wrote:

The best response to Blacks' d5 is Nc3, polite suggestion to take up checkers instead and resign (as white).

Nc3 is feeble at hands equality to black

a reverse kings indian does look fun tho

thats not how you play the position, you play, you play ng3, nf3, bc4 or bb5, d3 0-0

AngryPuffer
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:
TomekPrzemek16 wrote:

The best response to Blacks' d5 is Nc3, polite suggestion to take up checkers instead and resign (as white).

Nc3 is feeble at hands equality to black

a reverse kings indian does look fun tho

thats not how you play the position, you play, you play ng3, nf3, bc4 or bb5, d3 0-0

its a viable option though, same with an early f4 after you play like d3

AtaChess68
UnsidesteppableChess wrote:

(...) I'm using the really good book The Scandinavian for Club Players but when it didn't cover a move my opponent made I immediately went astray.

I made a ‘club’ to discuss the book. That club has one member at the moment. Wanna join?

BlueHen86

Love the Scandinavian

Kyobir

knight. f. 3.

Kyobir
TomekPrzemek16 wrote:

I started to play non-standard moves in response to Scandinavian 1. e4, d5. No matter if my response is good or not I just enjoy the moment when people make a long pause thinking what to play. I can imagine their stupid face when instead of my 2. e: d4 I make e5, Nf6 or any other move.

Is Knight f3 "non standard"?

chessterd5

1.e4,d5 2.Nf3,... is the Tennyson Gambit.

Kyobir
TomekPrzemek16 wrote:

Yes f3 is fairly non-standard in the Scand in the 2nd move white.

Standard would be e : d5.

And then Queen takes d5 and I have to deal with a queen on the loose.

iAteMars

ICBM them

Kyobir
TomekPrzemek16 wrote:

And then Queen takes d5 and I have to deal with a queen on the loose.

Well, that's the main line.

Not very good for both involved....

AngryPuffer
Optimissed wrote:
chessterd5 wrote:

if white pushes the e pawn to e5, black has the option of playing Bf5 or c5. it is a matter of taste as to which one they choose. But both lead to different variations of the Advanced Caro Kann. white must know these lines too.

Pushing is no good. White is down a move on the Advance Caro Kann which isn't white's best response to the Caro Kann in any case. The best response to the C-K is 3. Nd2, which is the main line.

Nd2 leads to equality

e5 leads to an actual lasting advantage for white

chessterd5

optimissed, I know. I was informing the poster of at least one reason why 1.e4,d5 2.e5,... is not a good idea to avoid the Scandinavian.

GYG
Optimissed wrote:

Pushing is no good. White is down a move on the Advance Caro Kann which isn't white's best response to the Caro Kann in any case. The best response to the C-K is 3. Nd2, which is the main line.

The Advance Caro is by far the main line these days. 3.Nc3 and 3.Nd2 (which lead to the same position) are becoming less and less popular every year that passes, largely due to 3...dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6 exf6

chessterd5

angrypuffer, the first diagram is the Tartakower variation and black does not have to play it. also, white doesn't have to play Nxf6+. he can play Ng3 and transpose into the Fohr variation of the classical mainline with a bigger advantage. in the second diagram, black still has the move c5 which leads to complex play. black still has a game.

Der_Uebermensch

3.c4. you push you pawn into the center, open the position for your knight to develop and attack the queen. literally one of the worst openings for the black, black losing tempo and slow down their development. Nc3 is a more standart response and it's also nice but I personally like to activate the c-pawn immediately.

1Lindamea1
Der_Uebermensch написал:

3.c4. you push you pawn into the center, open the position for your knight to develop and attack the queen. literally one of the worst openings for the black, black losing tempo and slow down their development. Nc3 is a more standart response and it's also nice but I personally like to activate the c-pawn immediately.

black is slightly better
GYG
Der_Uebermensch wrote:

3.c4. you push you pawn into the center, open the position for your knight to develop and attack the queen. literally one of the worst openings for the black, black losing tempo and slow down their development. Nc3 is a more standart response and it's also nice but I personally like to activate the c-pawn immediately.

3.c4 is an excellent way to get an awful position as early as move 3

1Lindamea1
Der_Uebermensch написал:

3.c4. you push you pawn into the center, open the position for your knight to develop and attack the queen. literally one of the worst openings for the black, black losing tempo and slow down their development. Nc3 is a more standart response and it's also nice but I personally like to activate the c-pawn immediately.

This doesn't look like a healthy 53% win rate against scandi that basically everyone has