What is the Most Aggressive (and Sound) Defense to 1. d4? - Chess Forums - Page 3

KingLeopold

Jun 2, 2009

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#41

The most feared defense against 1.d4 is the nimzo-indian. Its the easyist to learn and understand its concepts as Black.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#42

richie_and_oprah wrote:

1. Theoretically 3.d5 is the only move that allows white to keep an advantage after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5. All other choices are lessor options for White.

2. Central pressure is more powerful than wing pressure. Black gets direct pressure agaisnt the White king in the Kasparov/Vaganian Gambit.

There is an excellent piece on this gambit in the Dvoretsky manual, Positional Play, by Dvoretsky and Yususpov.

I usually start to salivate when people play 3.Nf3 in these positions, but I am an attacking player (why else would I be punting 2. ...c5!?). The attacks Black gets in this line are more direct and come faster than anything Black gets in the Benko. The Benko is all about being able to play a rook endgame, down a pawn, but with active rooks for compensation.

The Kasparov Gambit is all about punishing white for choosing to play passively.

Are we talking about the same thing? Games Explorer didn't give me the name.

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d5 6.cxd5 Bc5

I agree that 3.d5 is the most serious try for an advantage. I don't know the Benko or the Benoni very well so I don't play it.

While it is more passive than the d5 move, I think it's a bit reaching to say that black is punishing white for his passive play. This 4... e5 move is one that would be a perfect target for a Rybka III analysis. For that matter, I would think that Gonnosuke has an opinion on this line, since he is always attacking no matter how sound the attack is. :-)

I own that Dvoretsky book, I'll take a look.

I took lessons from Mr. Dvoretsky. An amazing trainer.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#43

Yes, I was going to point this out but I knew that such an opening connoisseur as yourself would know that 1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 results in the same position.

I couldn't find anything at all on Google for "Kasparov gambit" or "Vaganian gambit".

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#44

OK.

So I'll then call it the anti-Benko, since I'm not really avoiding the Benoni but rather the Benko.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#45

Honestly I haven't faced 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 in OTB play in several years so this is somewhat moot for me.

Does "conventional database" refer to Games Explorer here or does it refer to all classes of non-cyborg databases?

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#46

Isn't that fundamentally the same thing?

Being up half a pawn of position when you're down a real pawn, or being down a half a pawn of position with equal material.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#47

Right - so "with compensation" basically means "the verdict is still out".

Perhaps this is why I don't encounter this anymore. People won't play 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 against me because they assume that I know how to beat the Benoni and the Benko, so they play something else. Either way, you're saying I don't have to learn how to win against those openings because 2.c4 is a bluff and they never call it.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#48

I'll be happy to play the white side of this, but not quite yet. It is the kind of position which requires investigation of prior games, and I don't currently have the time for that in my routine. We could even organize a series of 6 matches, all with me as white, in that variation, if you like. Or we could make it open-ended, where we play "first person to 6 wins". I've never played a match like that before.

I have only played one match on chess.com, and the counterparty has since been banned rather famously for cheating. Unfortunately we never got to play the full 6 games. :-(

Alphastar18

Jun 2, 2009

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#49

I'll be happy to play it as white too, since my Dangerous Weapons: Flank Openings has 34 pages on it. :-)

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#50

The whole point is to find improvements from game to game.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#51

richie wrote: "but would be willing to play $5/game blitz with anyone <2400."

This is a prototypical negative expectation wager.

richie wrote: "I am not Kasparov getting ready to crack it v Karpov. I am just some fast talkin patzer lookin to snag a few titled scalps....and enough scratch to grab a sub from Wawa...."

LOL OK at least I know where you stand! The games I've researched in that variation show some good ideas for black, but I always get the impression that white is better or equal.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#52

richie_and_oprah wrote:

ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

This is a prototypical negative expectation wager.

Is there an antibiotic I should take or just let it run its course?

I'll write it, and we'll do it live!

IM kosmeg

Jun 2, 2009

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#53

richie_and_oprah wrote:Otb I have had people ask for draws in theoretically drawn positions and they make claims such as: "it's a book draw!"To which I say, "I never read that book."

Simply and Truthfully just LOL...I'd love too see the expression on their face

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#54

richie_and_oprah wrote:

ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

The games I've researched in that variation show some good ideas for black, but I always get the impression that white is better or equal.

Otb I have had people ask for draws in theoretically drawn positions and they make claims such as: "it's a book draw!"

To which I say, "I never read that book."

I had a great game in this line in the World Open one time back in the late 80's, last round and was able to collect a nice Goichberg signature. To this day I am thankful my opponent had to rely on (here comes that word again) praxis and was not allowed to whip out the most recent NIC yb survey to refute what was happening on the board in front of us.

This could have been written by Gonnosuke.

Sure - I think everyone has played positions with "practical chances" also, and won. I know I have.

How long would you play out K + rook_pawn + rook vs King + rook though??

Personally, I wouldn't play that one out, but I would play out K + rook pawn + bishop pawn + rook vs King + rook.

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#55

Wow that's totally against the rules. If it were me I would have reported him.

If it were me, I would have just won instead. From the white side.

Yaaaaah!

EdgeOfDefeat

Jun 2, 2009

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#56

If you want aggresive, the Tarrasch is an option if your opponent plays the Queens Gambit, which they will fifty percent of the time 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3/Nc3 c5. But the Tarrasch isn't the most sound. If you want to play this I reccommend Meeting 1. d4 by Jacob Aagaard. It has the best lines.

A sound opening that can also be aggresive is the a6 slav against the Queens Gambit. I play this as black and it goes like: 1. d4 d5 c4 c6 Nf3/Nc3 a6. Main moves here are c5 (in which case you fianchetto on g6-g7), a4 (lines here are debatable), or e3 where you push b5 and your opponent can do many other things. I reccommend The a6 Slav by Glenn Flear if you want to play this.

ringwraith10

Jun 2, 2009

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#57

in my opinion, the king's indian defense and the nimzowitch are very good defenses to the qp

if you want double qp opening, you might want to try semi slav or slav

i don't like qgd because it blocks your queen's bishop

qga isn't that great either (for black) because white can have all the time to develop while you're stuck with an isloated and double pawn

white can get a very solid defense and attack with qga

someone correct me if i'm wrong

NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Jun 2, 2009

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#58

Ringwraith2021,

King's Indian is aggressive but is not the soundest option. Nimzowitch is a defense to e4 (1.e4 Nc6). You probably mean the Nimzo-Indian defense (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4)

QGA doesn't give black an isolated pawn. Agreed that white gets solid defense and attack with QGA. That being said, it would be a pretty good opening to be knowledgeable in, since as the above poster said 50% of the time white plays 2.c4 against 1.d4 d5

stefanchess

Jun 3, 2009

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#59

Either the Nimzo or the KID. I personally prefer the KID with black (...f5;...f4 counter attack on king side while white is trying to attack only pawns on queen side.)

stefanchess

Jun 3, 2009

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#60

from 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 you can get into the semi slav which Anand used perfectly against Kramnik in Bonn 2008