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MethEmatics wrote:

so whats the verdict?  ive seen 3-4 opeings listed, either none is right; one is right; or all are "partially" right.  I think im just gonna call it my opening if theres no consensus. 


 

From Wikipedia:

"Alexander Alekhine played the Réti in the 1920s, but at that time almost any game that began with Nf3 and c4 by White was considered to be the Réti. Richard Réti popularized these moves against all defenses in the spirit of hypermodernism. As the opening developed, it gained structure and a clearer distinction between it and other openings. In modern times the Réti refers only to the configuration Nf3 and c4 by White with ...d5 by Black, where White fianchettos at least one bishop, and White does not play an early d4, which would transpose to the Catalan Opening or Neo-Grünfeld Defence. Savielly Tartakower said of 1. Nf3 "An opening of the past, which became, towards 1923, the opening of the future." He called the opening the "Réti-Zukertort Opening."

After 1400-odd years of chess history, it's awfully hard to come up with something that doesn't at least resemble something that has been done before. With that in mind, I suppose you can call your opening a "Quasi-Semi-Réti-Zukertort."

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Fezzik wrote:

The QGD is 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6.

This game didn't feature Black playing ...d5 in the opening, and White didn't play d4 until after the opening was determined. There are absolutely no transpositions from the opening that occurred to the QGD. It can't be a Queen's Gambit Declined.

Just because White played c4 and b3 does not make it a QGD with c4 and b3.


 I think the fact that your higher rated than me is blocking your judgement since I'm lower rated but that is the b3 system of the QGD thats what systems are. It still ended up being the b3 system later on and if you still disagree then look up the opening yourself.

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Fezzik wrote:

Ok, here's an example you might understand:

If White plays 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5, it's a Spanish (Ruy Lopez).

If the game goes 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5, It's a Sicilian.

It's not a Spanish, or a Spanish Sicilian. It's a Sicilian.

It matters what Black plays!


 I said IT ENDED UP THE QGD 5.B3 SYSTEM look at the position at move 9. Of course It's not exactly the same way the mainline would go but she said she plays this alll the time in blitz and wanted to know what it was. By the way JUST LOOK IT UP. Although it is that black coud have had the advatage at move 9 with e4 but thats not the opening its the middle it's the b3 system but the move order is wrong it looks a little like the reversed Alekhine.

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d5 DOESNT NEED TO BE PLAYYEDDD the mainline of it is just called QGD doesn't mean it always comes from QGD it's a syyyysssstemmm.

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By the position after the first 7-8 moves, I'd say a transposition to an English.

But given the horrible oversight after 1. Nf3 e5 (where White does not take the pawn), I'd call it the Blunder Defense. 

The recapture ... Bxe5 also has to cound at a horrible mistake; ...dxe5 seems more sensible.

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As David said it's a system... But obviously as Fezzik said it's not a QGD opening...

In fact, it's not an opening... White searchs to reach a configuration after 8 moves no matter what black plays... So it's a system like the Colle System...

An opening lists moves for both sides... So, again, it's not an opening...

It's a System... and it can be reached as white after Nf3, e3, c4, Nc3, b3, Bb2, Be2, O-O, or any other possible order... and its final setup is:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In certain way it seems to be a variation of the Colle-Zukertort system, with c4 instead of d4, Nc3 instead of Nd2, and Be2 instead of Bd3...

For sure, it's useful for blitz and bullet pace games... 8 moves, almost no thinking, no matter what your opponent plays, and a nice setup to start an attack...

Maybe it can be named as your system, but maybe some obscure player has used it before...

Anyway... Cheers!!!

Further reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colle_System

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zukertort_Opening

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Hmmm never played it with Nc3 is it ok if the knight was at d2.

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So it would be the Colle-Zukertort system...

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Yes it reaches a Reversed Sicilian configuration after 1.Nf3 e5? 2.d3? d6 3.c4...

But the Reversed Sicilian is only 1.c4 e5...

However as the guy who asked said he premoved most of his opening moves...

So, it's a system, white just wants to configure its peaces to a certain configuration no matter what black moves...

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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT.  I think it is a system that i use, and not an opening.  I will atler the setup in some circumstances, but this one i had premoved.  

Special thanks to pardalsemcasa for realizing this, i was probly asking the wrong question.  

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looks like the English without the fiancheto 

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You're welcome Mr. Webb...

However it was Davidjordan who pointed out your system as a system... Even if it does not match any QGD configuration, cause there's never no black's pawn at d5...

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Fezzik wrote:

Ok, here's an example you might understand:

If White plays 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5, it's a Spanish (Ruy Lopez).

If the game goes 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5, It's a Sicilian.

It's not a Spanish, or a Spanish Sicilian. It's a Sicilian.

It matters what Black plays!


 LOL! Sometimes at the club, I play Bb5 against the Sicilian and say "I'm playing the Ruy Lopez. What are you doing?" Laughing

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PardalsemCasa wrote:

So it would be the Colle-Zukertort system...


 It would be if white had played d4.  Instead, it's an English.  Happily, I can't see any reason to continue harping on this, as it's completely unimportant.

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NoMoreHats wrote:
PardalsemCasa wrote:

So it would be the Colle-Zukertort system...


 It would be if white had played d4.  Instead, it's an English.  Happily, I can't see any reason to continue harping on this, as it's completely unimportant.


If you think it's complete unimportant, so it's better to just let it go...

About the Colle-Zukertort system, my interlocutor said: "is it ok if the knight was at d2"...

And of course to put get a knight to d2 you have to move the d-pawn and it's logical place must be at d4 or you would have a congested light squares bishop... 

So a previous d4 move before Nd2 was implicit im my words...

BTW, just before that I said: "In certain way it seems to be a variation of the Colle-Zukertort system, with c4 instead of d4, Nc3 instead of Nd2, and Be2 instead of Bd3..."...

But maybe you haven't read... As you said, it's completely unimportant

Anyway thank you very much for your concearn, regardless the alleged unimportance of the subject...