What qualifies for an opening to have a "name"?

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TheBone1

This probably seems like a strange question, but take the following example:  The Indian Game (defense).  White plays d4.  Black plays Nf6.  This defines the "Indian Game".  Then white c4, black e6.  White Nf3, black d5.  According to the opening database, this is the most common sequence of moves in master games to this point.  Yet, after the move Black d5, there is no "name" for this position.  Yet, two of the six most prevalent next moves do.  Instead of d5, if black moves b6, it is called the "Queens Indian Defense".  And if instead of d5, black moves a6, it is called the "Dzindi-Indian".  Even though over 20,000 examples of black playing d5 and only a little over 200 moves where black plays a6, a6 has a name, but d5 doesn't.  Why is this?

Flamma_Aquila

Basically just that someone bothered to give it one. The bongcloud for example, is a terrible opening, as is the Sodium Attack.

ivandh

lim x→∞⌠⌠   Σ ε^iπ + 1 δu
             ⌡⌡     δx

 

NimzoRoy

Moot point dude the only "names" that matter anymore are ECO codes for openings

The ECO codes make sense, the antique system of identifying openings by names is just as outdated and as english descriptive notation is.

While most names like QID are understood by all chessplayers many variations have more than one name for instance Wilkes-Barre Variation in the US is Traxler Variation elsewhere

ivandh

But nobody calls openings by their ECO codes.

TheBone1

Nimzo, thanks for the explanation.  So, forget then that I am asking about "names".  In my example above, the openings explorer on this site likewise does not give an opening "sequencer" code (grasping for the right verbiage here), for the d5, which is in 20,000 master games, but does give a sequencer code for a6, which has only a little over 200 examples...  is there an explanation for this?

RC_Woods
NimzoRoy wrote:

Moot point dude the only "names" that matter anymore are ECO codes for openings

The ECO codes make sense, the antique system of identifying openings by names is just as outdated and as english descriptive notation is.

While most names like QID are understood by all chessplayers many variations have more than one name for instance Wilkes-Barre Variation in the US is Traxler Variation elsewhere


I like the antique system.

If we give in to this eco nonsense, then the next step is that we will call people by their social security number. Soon we won't bother to give our children names no more, because the number is all that matters. Names will be an antiquity.

I refuse to give in to that. Please join the resistance and resist ECO coding.

ivandh

As I said I wasn't aware that anyone ever said "hey, I played a great D17 last night." Even here on the forums people use the names, never the ECO.

While I am certain there is some profound and deep logic to the ECO codes, to me it is one more pile of garbage I have to learn. Everyone knows what I mean when I talk about the Accelerated Dragon, but I'll be damned if I know what its code is.

VLaurenT
ivandh wrote:

As I said I wasn't aware that anyone ever said "hey, I played a great D17 last night." Even here on the forums people use the names, never the ECO.

While I am certain there is some profound and deep logic to the ECO codes, to me it is one more pile of garbage I have to learn. Everyone knows what I mean when I talk about the Accelerated Dragon, but I'll be damned if I know what its code is.


B35-37 ? Wink

ivandh

And is it ALL of those numbers, or that exact sequence, or one of them, or what?? More crap I have to learn...

RC_Woods
nathandewinter wrote:

i find it a bit strange that u have names for it all..i used to block check with the horse when i was 5 without needing to know what a ''nimzo indian'' defense is...for me its just a natural move


If you are just blocking check with the horse, by all means don't call it the nimzo indian.

To say you are playing an opening more or less suggests that you are playing a system of moves that is somewhat theoretically explored, and usually some number of typical moves and themes apply to it. 

If you are just blocking a check with a horse (which may be natural), you are not naturally playing the nimzo indian. I wish it were different, because then I'd be adept in a lot of openings Tongue out.

Flamma_Aquila
allewyn wrote:

@Flamma_Aquila

"The bongcloud for example, is a terrible opening, blah blah"

Dewd, you're missing the point. Nobody would even remember games played with the bongcloud going if they didn't write the moves down. See this topic for more:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/bongcloud-opening2


Oh, I wasn't dissing the opening. I mean, who doesnt like to get ripped and play random unsound crap?

I was merely trying to demonstrate that an opening does not have to be "good" to get a name.

OldeMoney

Wait...this...?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a QGD.  Where's the mystery?

Joseph-S
RC_Woods wrote:

I like the antique system.

If we give in to this eco nonsense, then the next step is that we will call people by their social security number. Soon we won't bother to give our children names no more, because the number is all that matters. Names will be an antiquity.

I refuse to give in to that. Please join the resistance and resist ECO coding.


 I'm with ya bro!  I even change the algebraic notation back to the descriptive in all my chess books to keep that from happening.

Ben_Dubuque

by the way i think it is called the wasted king attank not the bongcloud or howeveryou say it k 1.e4  e5  2.ke2?! k