i did not find your correspondence games with you playing the black side aggainst Nxf7.
The first one is not worth anything- the opponent (who sadly has passed away) blundered very early.
In the second one, the opponent also did not play well.
In short, I won both games because white played badly, but the verdict stays: 5.Nxf7 is a genuine lemon.
And you said that this
is more playable than the Nxf7 line.
Really?
Normally you teach kids who want to play the 2-knights do not erver playing the recapture!
Yes, 5...Nxd5 is a better move than the Traxler. Neither the Fried Liver, nor the Lolli promise white a clear advantage. The problem with Black's position is that he has to play several "only moves" to survive. On the other hand, the Traxler just hopes for the lemon 5.Nxf7? which no serious player will ever play.
And no, I teach kids to play 3...Bc5 instead of 3...Nf6- they will learn more about chess from regular Italians.
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i dont know why black is word here than in the Nxf7 Bxf2 Kf1 lines! As you often get out there with at least a pawn more.
II cannot do something about you being too lazy to search the aforementioned material, as well as why 5.Nxf7 is rubbish.
ok in your correspondence games you postet in other threads i think black did make some misstakes
you aggainst Sundqvuist, Crister,
Black exchanges his pieces on moev 26 and 28 where it was not afforded (he is ignoring the rule of nit trading pieces if you are at a disavantage.) And i dont know why he gabe up in the end since i dont see an easy breakthrough in the endgame( i would suggest playing Rf8 to maneuveur him to an better place.
you aggainst Kahl, Fred
the queenexchange was not forced so why did he play it?, The endgame was playable too. So why giving up?.
Both endgames are hopelessly lost.
In the Sundquist game, the guy resigned because he has no good moves to play. Your suggestion 38...Rf8 drops the first pawn with many to follow after 39.Bc7 Re8 40.Bd6 with the threat od Bd7 and either the c6, or the e5 pawn go south. I guess that Black may try 40...Rd8 for a hint of counterplay, but while taking the e5 pawn should win easily, 41.b4! is a pretty zugzwang.
Preusseagro please. Could u think a bit before asking?
About that...
6. Bb3 is okay and less complicated if you like that sort of thing.
5.d4!
Using stockfish 13 anaylsis so is it good for white?
This is one of the lines that give Black slim chances to survive.
I think that white should win, but in the following game I had to be inventive to convert the pawn advantage.
During the game, I rejected 11.Be3 in favor of the slightly counterintuitive 11.Bb2, but explaining "why" will need a very long post. Suffice to say that I always take the engine's suggestions with a grain of salt, unless they are pure tactical sequences.
This is one of the lines that give Black slim chances to survive.
I think that white should win, but in the following game I had to be inventive to convert the pawn advantage.
During the game, I rejected 11.Be3 in favor of the slightly counterintuitive 11.Bb2, but explaining "why" will need a very long post. Suffice to say that I always take the engine's suggestions with a grain of salt, unless they are pure tactical sequences.
Heisman gave 11 Bb2 "+=" back in the year 2000. In that line I've played two, drawn two with 11...b6 12 cxb6 axb6 13 Nd2 f6, but obviously that's all Black is ever going to get.
to all of you that respond thank you very much i actually forgot i wrote this thing now i am playing london with white and most of the times najdorf as black thannks again for responding
5.d4!
yeah d4 solve all the problem lol but traxler is a cool way to strike back if white dont know what they are playing.But i dont recommend traxler now coz there's a better move with d4 and then Na5
its way simple and you dont have to memorize all those complicated lines for a counterttack that will rarely happen
The autors says that Kf1 is the best way to refute the traxler. Do you agree here at least.
Every chess engine recommends that white play 5.Nxf7 and after black plays 5...Bxf2+ white plays 6.Kf1 and, as things change, white may be able to play Kxf2 later on. There is a counterintuitive move that solves a lot of white's problems if he goes down this path:
1. e4 e5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.Bc4 Nf6, 4.Ng5 Bc5, 5.Nxf7 Bxf7+, 6.Kf1 Qe7, 7.Nxh8 d5, 8.exd5 Nd4, 9.d6!
The autors says that Kf1 is the best way to refute the traxler. Do you agree here at least.
Every chess engine recommends that white play 5.Nxf7 and after black plays 5...Bxf2+ white plays 6.Kf1 and, as things change, white may be able to play Kxf2 later on. There is a counterintuitive move that solves a lot of white's problems if he goes down this path:
1. e4 e5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.Bc4 Nf6, 4.Ng5 Bc5, 5.Nxf7 Bxf7+, 6.Kf1 Qe7, 7.Nxh8 d5, 8.exd5 Nd4, 9.d6!
9.d6 is a "new" idea which was played 62 years ago.
Surely enough white's best move, and equally surely enough a draw after 9...Qxd6 10.Nf7 Qe7!
Everything has been analysed in this line, the case is closed.
White's 15.Ng5? is bad- he should play 15.cxd4 when Black has a perpetual with 15...Qf4+ etc.
To sum it up one more time, 5.Nxf7? is a lemon which drops all of white's advantage, and it is not my fault if you (or anybody else) cannot use an engine properly.
Here is what a modern engine claims at some sort-of-sufficient depth:
5.d4!
what's the idea behind this move?
Something like that.
Notice that it's not only the f4 square, but in certain cases the d4 one, as well.
thanks!
Absolutely thanks
In the 5. d4 there's still some lines for black:
The engine evaluates the end position as equal.
In the 5. d4 there's still some lines for black:
The engine evaluates the end position as equal.
The right approach is still 7.Bxf7+ Ke7 8.Bc4 b5 (effectively the only good move) 9.Bd3 (or even 9.Be2) with advantage to white. This has been played many times.
Bxf7!
In the 5. d4 there's still some lines for black:
The engine evaluates the end position as equal.
The right approach is still 7.Bxf7+ Ke7 8.Bc4 b5 (effectively the only good move) 9.Bd3 (or even 9.Be2) with advantage to white. This has been played many times.
THe engine evaluates +0.7, or about the evaluation of, say, the Modern Defence.
When you play well with your opponent doing their traxler you can destroy them. But if you play badly you will be destroyed even if your opponent plays badly near the end. So remember to play well 
Preusseagro please. Could u think a bit before asking?
U can use an engine as well.