What's wrong with 1.b4?

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pfren
schlechter55 wrote:

Saying I know more than you, and not showing it whatsoever, is poor education.

That's how the lazy people call it. For the rest, it's called good marketing.

SmyslovFan
schlechter55 wrote:

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I think we have seen enough ideas, variants, on how to play with white and black in the Sokolski by now,

enough for our level.

It is difficult to convince someone that this is good, or that is bad, on our level.

Trying to make a resume, 1.b4 is playable, because no one has shown a long or convincing analysis that shows how Black gets a lasting advantage.

On the other hand, there are other openings,

1. d4, 1.e4, for instance, and perhaps also 1.Nf3 and 1.c4,

where the verdicts , by engines and strong players, are slightly better,

and more precisely, better by differences between 0.10 to 0.40 in most branches of the opening trees, according to databases.

These other openings offer more chances for an advantage for white. 

This is also confirmed by game databases.

Let us leave it with this.

He, who does not like such answer, should read a chapter on the Sokolski opening in some book.

I agreed with this statement. Later posts by you seemed to suggest that you yourself disagree with this. It seems to me that you have been arguing against yourself.

SmyslovFan
schlechter55 wrote:

I have showed TWO VARIANTS, together with plans and evaluations. They have never been challenged in the forum.

I repeated them already once,  I don't need to repeat twice.

These variants showed that Black has an easier game than white, although White should not loose.

Now it's again switching to 'authority arguments', giving only winning/loosing percentages in OTB chess, but no variants.

In this way the discussion loses again objectivity.

Why is nobody giving analysis in some interesting sharp directions, like

1.b4 e5, 2.Bb2 f6     ?

I have not learned anything new in 341 threads ! 

And here you seem to argue against your previous statement.

LoekBergman

Pfren: what other rating can I use? I know it is not FIDE and that is only one that really matters, but if I do not have that rating, but have this one here, what else can I use? I can compare it with my rating here and it is more then five hundred points more. Whatever the rating system is, that difference is significant. (That is the only point I wanted to make.)

SmyslovFan and Pfren: thank you for your contributions. I am always interested in what you have to say.

waffllemaster

Sweet Jesus it's like walking into a daycare.


And by the way, Smyslovfan and Pfren are some of the few contributors in the topic worth reading.

atarw

there is nothign wrong with b4, as in it isnt a forced loss, but why would you want to play it?

Something_Smart
I like to play this line in blitz/friendly games.
 
schlechter55

Smyslovfan, you claim that the two statements that you marked would contradict each other. therefore  I believe you are a weak player.

Saying that a position is better for one side, does not mean that that side has a big advantage or could win.

GreenCastleBlock

1.b4 e5 2.Bb2 f6 3.e4 and my understanding is Black is going to be exposed to some blistering attack along the a2-g8 diagonal.

1.b4 Nh6 is a possible improvement, not yet committing to ..e5.  2.Bb2 f6 and Black will only play ..e5 when White has played c4 (blocking that diagonal).  Until then he has croutching moves like ..Nf7,..g6,..Bg7,..O-O,..c6 ...

Why not 1..Nh6? If White is showing he will put a bishop on b2, then a N played to f6 would only hamper Black's ability to contest the e5 square.  1.b4 Nh6 2.d4 g6 3.e4 d5!? looks like it might work out for Black, if White changes course and goes for center occupation in response to 1...Nh6.

schlechter55

I gave variants to support my claims ('easier game...'). I repeated them already once. i dont do it again.

schlechter55

Let me also repeat that besides of some arrogant statements of Pfren and SmyslovFAN (what an insult to Smyslov), nobody has commented on my variants negatively.

waffllemaster
mykingdomforanos wrote:

i saw some posts with a few moves, what pages again ?

Page 16 is where he repeats what he wrote on page 1 and 10 respectively.

Paraphrasing he gave the line: b4 e5 Bb2 Bxb4 Bxe5 Nf6 and black plays c5, white center is restricted, black has easier game / queenside in an endgame / white isn't lost though.

He also gave some king's indian setup where black is playing e5 and d6 for his first 2 moves.

schlechter55

I explained the two black setups in more detail.

schlechter55

the two setups are known . The point is, they are often overlooked.

Because Black often tries instead to 'punish' the white slight delay in development.

schlechter55

I would really like to replace the common statement of 'unclear' in the variant

1.b4 e5, 2.Bb2 f6, 3.e4 Bxb4,

with some precise evaluation. What does Houdini say here ?

It is an important question, because 2....f6 is an attempt to refute the white opening.

kiwi-inactive

Some interesting plays... I have never seen it before 1. b4 e5 2. b5 d5 3. c4dxc4 4. Qa4 Bd7 5. Qxc4.


schlechter55

I wouldn't trust Houdini's verdict at such an early stage... All programs are materialistic.

Is 4....g6 playable ?

schlechter55

And yet you asked what Houdini's thoughts were. Don't ask if you don't want to hear it.

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Firebrand, the program needs to check several variants, selected in dialogue with the player, with depth of 20 half moves at least, to get a reliable verdict in such a sharp situation.

you gave only one and very short variant, and you did not tell us the depth of analysis of even this.

schlechter55

I am astonished by the behaviour of some players who believe they have to keep their nose high as some bad teacher just because they have a higher chesscom rating.

Fear_ItseIf

1.b4 isnt horrible, it doesnt lose by force.

But why play it?

There isnt enough traps for the shock value to be worth anything. It doesnt set any particular problems for the opponents.

It has low theory, but theres plenty of better low theory systems you could play.

so why?