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schlechter55

1.b4 e5, 2.Bb2 Bxb4, 3.f4 seduces Black to fall into that trap again. But may be black can make THAT a trap for White.   

red-lady
GreedyPawnGrabber wrote:
red-lady wrote:

I can't believe my eyes... You guys are still busy fighting!

 Heyyyyy! Leave those silly guys to fight and challenge me for a game!

tempting, but no, thank you. Just a little advice, if you ever approach a woman or a girl again, don't say heyyyyy! to start with.

billyblatt
HotFlow wrote:

So seducing your opponent is the way to go to get on top.

whatever works man! when you play b4 you already skating on the edge of losing all self-respect...

TitanCG
red-lady wrote:GreedyPawnGrabber wrote:red-lady wrote:I can't believe my eyes... You guys are still busy fighting! Heyyyyy! Leave those silly guys to fight and challenge me for a game!tempting, but no, thank you. Just a little advice, if you ever approach a woman or a girl again, don't say heyyyyy! to start with.
Buy her a drink and THEN say heyyyyyy.
steve_bute
HotFlow wrote:

So seducing your opponent is the way to go to get on top.

Am I the only one who appreciated this for what it was? Maybe. Thanks HotFlow, for the chuckle.

GreedyPawnGrabber
red-lady wrote:
GreedyPawnGrabber wrote:
red-lady wrote:

I can't believe my eyes... You guys are still busy fighting!

 Heyyyyy! Leave those silly guys to fight and challenge me for a game!

tempting, but no, thank you. Just a little advice, if you ever approach a woman or a girl again, don't say heyyyyy! to start with.

 Cool you've just missed the chance of a lifetime!

schlechter55

I can assure you, Hotflow, I would perhaps play 1.b4 in a less serious game , but never 1.b4 e5, 2.Bb2 Bxb4, 3.f4 ?!

Not because I know the refutation (I don't), but because white is falling too much behind in development after 3....d6, 4.fxe5 dxe5, 5.Nxe5 Nf6.

SmyslovFan

If 1.b4 is refuted by 1...e5, why didn't anyone tell the hundred of GMs who have played something other than 1...e5 against strong opponents?

schlechter55

1...e5 does not refute 1.b4, I think most of us agreed to that: in a sense that Black can at most achieve a small edge.

But it is all about preparation. Black can play many good moves.

1....a5, 1....b6, 1....c6, 1....d5, 1....d6, 1....e5, 1....e6, 1....Nf6, 1....f5, 1....g6.

I think none of them will give White an advantage (at least not a significant one).

But the white players will probably prepare carefully for 1....e5, because it leads to sharp positions (and many Black players seek an advantage here). If one wants to avoid a principal battle (where prearation counts, too), he might choose one of these other moves. 

schlechter55

Funny that a GM (I think Levin is, isnt he ?)  does not see the double attack Qd5, even though its a blitz game. May be because it was the first round , and he struggled with Spanish food the night before...

kco

I prefer pfren's comments than the schlechter55's ones because pfren use brain rather than using the computer.

schlechter55

Funny, I did not refer to computer in my threads. I always give positional explanations at the end of variants. Variants are needed to illustrate plans  and developments of dynamic and positional ideas.I do not find an explanation enough without a variant, because the other side has plans, too, lol. The variant helps to find a path in the jungle of competing ideas, it of course can still not be the ultimate truth alone.

This is how all books about openings and master games are written.

In particular, for this doubtful gambit, I omitted the engine evaluation that I saw on some opening website, it gives -0.64 after 1.b4 e5, 2.Bb2 Bxb4, 3.f4 d6.  I said instead, I do not trust the variant, because white falls to much behind in development - same as Pfren.

Engine evaluations were given often by others (not by pfren), mainly to convince the audience (with no explanation), that a, for instance, -0.18 evaluation after 1.b4 (to find on that same website) would mean that the opening is bad for white.

SmyslovFan

Anatoly Lein is a GM. No clue who Anatoly Levin is.

netzach

Well you should as he is voter registered in US.

http://ratings.fide.com/seek.phtml?idcode=2058154&name=&offset=0

http://main.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMilestones.php?12602344

SmyslovFan

Yeah. I should know every player in the US.

schlechter55

well, a 2028 rating player will from time to time make moves like 8.g3 in a blitz game, but still very rarely in a long game.

SmyslovFan

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kco

don't come to my homepage with your problems schlechter55, when using analysis don't use the computer so much, better off using your brain abit, like pfren does most time.

AndyClifton

That guy is leaving his graffiti everywhere!

kco
AndyClifton wrote:

That guy is leaving his graffiti everywhere!

you as well ?