Even that 1950 player (not 2000) didn't know how to play even after 3...d5; see below. 5...Bc5 probably confers an advantage to Black, so I'm thinking of switching to 5.Qf3 -- Nakamura has played it, and it's covered in Sveshnikov's book from earlier this year: "A Chess Opening Repertoire for Blitz & Rapid" https://www.amazon.com/Chess-Opening-Repertoire-Blitz-Rapid/dp/9056916033/
Why I switched back to the Vienna
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yes Sveschnikov's book is fine.
Don't be mistaken, i think Vienna is an entirely good weapon.
But I don't like when players introduce an opening just showing a trap or when opponents play weak.
"See this fabulous opening, i can deliver checkmate within 11 moves if my opponent plays (very) weak", yep...
I don't chose an opening because of a trap, i play it because i am interested in the positions it leads, specially the main lines.
So the "trap" (exf4 is not a trap, its just a bad move) is one thing, but the most important is having fun with the opening in general.
Seems u have fun with Vienna more than other openings, then continue.
Personnally, i like the Vienna, but with g3 which is a different approach...
1900 rated in Lichess doesnt mean anything, as most website.
It can be a 1500 fide rated player, most rating are overrated on most website, especially on lichess.
poucin wrote:
yes Sveschnikov's book is fine.
Don't be mistaken, i think Vienna is an entirely good weapon.
But I don't like when players introduce an opening just showing a trap or when opponents play weak.
"See this fabulous opening, i can deliver checkmate within 11 moves if my opponent plays (very) weak", yep...
I don't chose an opening because of a trap, i play it because i am interested in the positions it leads, specially the main lines.
So the "trap" (exf4 is not a trap, its just a bad move) is one thing, but the most important is having fun with the opening in general.
Seems u have fun with Vienna more than other openings, then continue.
Personnally, i like the Vienna, but with g3 which is a different approach...
1900 rated in Lichess doesnt mean anything, as most website.
It can be a 1500 fide rated player, most rating are overrated on most website, especially on lichess.
Thanks again for your feedback! And for reminding me of 3.g3 though I like a different third move: 3.a3!? One point of this is 3...d5 4.exd5 Nxd5 5.Qh5!? (I used to play this as Black against the Scotch and though it's bad there I know the ideas because of my experience) Maybe this will go over better with my coach than switching to d3-Italian against stronger opponents.
Anyway I have an option besides 3.f4 d5 4.fxe5 Nxe4 5.Nf3 on that fifth move (5.Qf3) and options on the third move as well.
I've always played e5 after 1.e4, and at one point in time I was a good chess player and I really knew my openings. But the Vienna I almost never saw and wouldn't be prepared to face it a tournament. Which is exactly what I would look for in a opening, something you enjoy and gives you an advantage if you opponent isn't prepared and an even game if they are. So keep playing it
I don't think we're disagreeing so much. The game you talked about here is a good reason to play the Vienna. It's just the first game you posted was a bad reason. Relishing what happens if people misplay on move 3 is a form of hope chess... you might as well play the Parham if you pick your repertoire based on known bad moves from your opponent; in that case you when even faster if they misplay. I shouldn't have compared the Vienna Gambit to my crap line in the 2 Knights which is not sound. It seems like you're in a good place with your repertoire.