Why Open with Scandinavian Defense? - Chess Forums - Page 3

FM blank0923

Mar 12, 2022

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darkunorthodox88 wrote:

the qd6 scandinavian is on the border of refutation. After the shirov idea, nc3 d4 nf3, ne5, f4! with the intention of early g4 in many lines. White gets a massive space advantage and the one advantage black has which is comfortable piece placement is denied to him as the queen bishop has no good square. Black ends up miserable. its like +1 and not even combative +1 but a dreadful shuffle your pieces and hopefully white makes an error to be in 0.5 territory bad.

Could you elaborate on the line? I'm actually really interested in learning the way to play against the Scandi

Steven-ODonoghue

Mar 12, 2022

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#42

One reason why the Scandi is such an attractive defense is because it is so forcing. In other defences to 1.e4 (Sicilian, 1...e5 etc.) White has about a thousand ways to deviate the game into their pet line whilst not sacrificing objectivity (still equal). Against 1...d5 this isn't the case. The Scandinavian may be the only reputable opening where on white's 2nd move he only has 1 choice where he isn't immediately worse! - 2.exd5

2.e5 is bad because of 2...c5 (2...Bf5 and even 2...d4 both also give black an easy and equal game)

2.Nc3 is inferior because of 2...d4 3.Nce2 e5 4.Ng3 (other moves are worse) Be6 5.c3 a6! and white has hard work to do if he wants to equalise.

The Scandinavian is the perfect opening to force white to play the types of positions black wants and is familiar in.

Steven-ODonoghue

Mar 12, 2022

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#43

darkunorthodox88 wrote:

the qd6 scandinavian is on the border of refutation. After the shirov idea, nc3 d4 nf3, ne5, f4! with the intention of early g4 in many lines. White gets a massive space advantage and the one advantage black has which is comfortable piece placement is denied to him as the queen bishop has no good square. Black ends up miserable. its like +1 and not even combative +1 but a dreadful shuffle your pieces and hopefully white makes an error to be in 0.5 territory bad.

Kotronias addresses Shirov's 7.f4 line in his 2016 book on the "Safest Scandinavian" which is a repertoire for black based on 3...Qd6. I think if black has done his homework he can survive these lines, but it is certainly looking like they are the most critical white attempts currently.

sndeww

Mar 13, 2022

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#44

Because it’s funny and not completely garbage

NM darkunorthodox88

Mar 13, 2022

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#45

blank0923 wrote:

darkunorthodox88 wrote:

the qd6 scandinavian is on the border of refutation. After the shirov idea, nc3 d4 nf3, ne5, f4! with the intention of early g4 in many lines. White gets a massive space advantage and the one advantage black has which is comfortable piece placement is denied to him as the queen bishop has no good square. Black ends up miserable. its like +1 and not even combative +1 but a dreadful shuffle your pieces and hopefully white makes an error to be in 0.5 territory bad.

Could you elaborate on the line? I'm actually really interested in learning the way to play against the Scandi

here is a model game Shirov- Tiviakov 2010

https://lichess.org/jHosURd9/

SmyslovFan

Mar 14, 2022

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#46

As you know, that game was considered in Kotronias’’ 2016 book. What did Kotronias miss?

SmyslovFan

Mar 14, 2022

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#47

Back in 2016, there was a conversation about Tiviakov’s condemnation of 3…Qd6 on Chesspublishing.com (not a rival to this site). Tiviakov had a reputation in 2016 for being hyperbolic in his evaluations, but Kotronias’ analysis still needed to be tested.

I haven’t kept up with the theory, but I suspect engines have found ways for Black to hold even if they look ugly to human eyes.

I see that Magnus has used it repeatedly, as recently as 2019, and other +2700 rated players still play the line occasionally.

tygxc

Mar 14, 2022

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#48

#49
Scandinavian and Caro-Kann are closely related. Larsen advocated the Scandinavian as a better Caro-Kann. It reaches the same kind of position, but avoids some variations like the Advance Variation.
1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd6 4 d4 c6 5 Ne4 Qc7
1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Qc7
Leads to exactly the identical position, so the Scandinavian does not lose a tempo.