if nxf7, stockfish said +1.35 in a proper continuation, so white was up 4 in material and black was up 2.65 in position.
Why players say that traxler countergambit is no good?
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Jan 21, 2017
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BronsteinPawn wrote:
Wow. While toying around I found still another trash, but a tricky one!
What is white's winning concept in the following position?
White's king will go to f7.
foofooes wrote:
if nxf7, stockfish said +1.35 in a proper continuation, so white was up 4 in material and black was up 2.65 in position.
But all accurate variations lead to equal positions!Attack relentlessly.Do not quote.Do not believe on engines because they have an inaccurate strategical decision.But you should believe if the opening is not unclear but some unclear openings such as Sicilian is not very complicated so believe in engines if Sicilian while in the Traxler,which is not concluded easily(You cannot decide if white or black is better or winning.),so do not believe in engines.
But as we know,engines such as Rybka are unbeatable by humans.But still,misdecision even happens in the greatest engines.So do not reason.All humans or humanmade objects make a mistake,
I am now neutral about the Traxler because it is good at blitz and rapid but not in standard.
So I just like to play the Giuoco Piano instead of the Two Knights.
robertjames_perez wrote:
foofooes wrote:
if nxf7, stockfish said +1.35 in a proper continuation, so white was up 4 in material and black was up 2.65 in position.
But all accurate variations lead to equal positions!Attack relentlessly.Do not quote.Do not believe on engines because they have an inaccurate strategical decision.But you should believe if the opening is not unclear but some unclear openings such as Sicilian is not very complicated so believe in engines if Sicilian while in the Traxler,which is not concluded easily(You cannot decide if white or black is better or winning.),so do not believe in engines.
How does Black use the f-file? He can try piling up then remove the knight at f3 by shoving the g-pawn down the board. However, White is allowed to move as well! If you move the g pawn too much, you weaken the kingside and open yourself up to attack as well.
iamunknown2 wrote:
robertjames_perez wrote:
foofooes wrote:
if nxf7, stockfish said +1.35 in a proper continuation, so white was up 4 in material and black was up 2.65 in position.
But all accurate variations lead to equal positions!Attack relentlessly.Do not quote.Do not believe on engines because they have an inaccurate strategical decision.But you should believe if the opening is not unclear but some unclear openings such as Sicilian is not very complicated so believe in engines if Sicilian while in the Traxler,which is not concluded easily(You cannot decide if white or black is better or winning.),so do not believe in engines.
How does Black use the f-file? He can try piling up then remove the knight at f3 by shoving the g-pawn down the board. However, White is allowed to move as well! If you move the g pawn too much, you weaken the kingside and open yourself up to attack as well.
Black's king will head to the Queenside.
And use the c8 bishop, Rf8, and if possible, Nd4.
But Trax is too risky and even more risky in standard
Check the damn databases, take two aspirin and call me in the morning! The doctor is in.
robertjames_perez wrote:
iamunknown2 wrote:
robertjames_perez wrote:
foofooes wrote:
if nxf7, stockfish said +1.35 in a proper continuation, so white was up 4 in material and black was up 2.65 in position.
But all accurate variations lead to equal positions!Attack relentlessly.Do not quote.Do not believe on engines because they have an inaccurate strategical decision.But you should believe if the opening is not unclear but some unclear openings such as Sicilian is not very complicated so believe in engines if Sicilian while in the Traxler,which is not concluded easily(You cannot decide if white or black is better or winning.),so do not believe in engines.
How does Black use the f-file? He can try piling up then remove the knight at f3 by shoving the g-pawn down the board. However, White is allowed to move as well! If you move the g pawn too much, you weaken the kingside and open yourself up to attack as well.
Black's king will head to the Queenside.
Uh, when the king is at f8 and has lost the ability to castle? Do you still have the initiative if you need to expend a lot a tempos getting the king over to the opposite side without castling?
I still have big questions in the trexlor attack
wisemanclevermsibi wrote:
I still have big questions in the trexlor attack
Traxler, not Trexlor.
Traxler has a lot of theory and needs deep and complicated analysis.
And without knowledge about this opening, it is not good to play.
It is also very risky to play, because you will sac many pieces and pawns to justify the soundness of the Trax
iamunknown2 wrote:
robertjames_perez wrote:
iamunknown2 wrote:
robertjames_perez wrote:
foofooes wrote:
if nxf7, stockfish said +1.35 in a proper continuation, so white was up 4 in material and black was up 2.65 in position.
But all accurate variations lead to equal positions!Attack relentlessly.Do not quote.Do not believe on engines because they have an inaccurate strategical decision.But you should believe if the opening is not unclear but some unclear openings such as Sicilian is not very complicated so believe in engines if Sicilian while in the Traxler,which is not concluded easily(You cannot decide if white or black is better or winning.),so do not believe in engines.
How does Black use the f-file? He can try piling up then remove the knight at f3 by shoving the g-pawn down the board. However, White is allowed to move as well! If you move the g pawn too much, you weaken the kingside and open yourself up to attack as well.
Black's king will head to the Queenside.
Uh, when the king is at f8 and has lost the ability to castle? Do you still have the initiative if you need to expend a lot a tempos getting the king over to the opposite side without castling?
Traxler, not f5.
And also not the king on f8 but on e7.
But I understood that Traxler is a very complicated and risky opening and needs deep and complicated analysis not because of you but because of one of my games playing Trax as black and lost because I didn't know how to respond after my opponent played an unfamiliar move in Nxf7, though if I knew how to respond it would lead to a draw, according to the computers.
robertjames_perez wrote:
iamunknown2 wrote:
robertjames_perez wrote:
iamunknown2 wrote:
robertjames_perez wrote:
foofooes wrote:
if nxf7, stockfish said +1.35 in a proper continuation, so white was up 4 in material and black was up 2.65 in position.
But all accurate variations lead to equal positions!Attack relentlessly.Do not quote.Do not believe on engines because they have an inaccurate strategical decision.But you should believe if the opening is not unclear but some unclear openings such as Sicilian is not very complicated so believe in engines if Sicilian while in the Traxler,which is not concluded easily(You cannot decide if white or black is better or winning.),so do not believe in engines.
How does Black use the f-file? He can try piling up then remove the knight at f3 by shoving the g-pawn down the board. However, White is allowed to move as well! If you move the g pawn too much, you weaken the kingside and open yourself up to attack as well.
Black's king will head to the Queenside.
Uh, when the king is at f8 and has lost the ability to castle? Do you still have the initiative if you need to expend a lot a tempos getting the king over to the opposite side without castling?
Traxler, not f5.
Yeah, I was talking about the Traxler in this line -
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5!? They are refuting it with Bxf7 but who will open the f-file for a pawn? Black gets a dangerous compensation when you did this called"refutation."
because it will continue Nxf7.