Why the Grob is Severely Underrated: An Analysis

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Miaoiao wrote:

The point is, without learning there is no invention. The comments, game, 'analysis' here show it. Some people attribute a positional or tactical strength to that opening, but in fact, it has that only in Blitz, or for unprepared players of low (or no) Elo.

 

Guy who started this thread is already around 2000, lets see ho far he will bring the Grob.

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Miaoiao wrote:

Which guy? I challenge him to play a 3 day per move game. He has White, he must play 1.g4

 

 

I mean

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Ok challenge me for h2 h4 opening

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Miaoiao wrote:

I challenged him to play 3 days per move. His settings say that he does not accept challenges from people with rating higher than 1873 (200 below his rating). He aloso does not answer to my messages. 

You can all make your own opinion about chessgm8 now.  

 

I have challenged you for 30min., but you arent available

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Miaoiao wrote:

I challenged him to play 3 days per move. His settings say that he does not accept challenges from people with rating higher than 1873 (200 below his rating). He aloso does not answer to my messages. 

You can all make your own opinion about chessgm8 now.  

first of all i don't see why anyone needs to get mad about this thread, but...

1. i actually just wasn't logged in at the time you challenged me, i wasn't "hiding"
2. my daily rating is actually only around 1670 ( i don't play that much ) so that's 200 points above my rating in that time format
3. again, i didn't answer your messages because i wasn't logged in

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my blitz rating is around 2050, so that's probably what they were referring to.

Avatar of LionVanHalen

Point is... mainlines became mainline for a reason... tried and tested by master player over decades?

Of course one can win with Grob... but if White do not use one of top four opening... they waste the initiative? 

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LionVanHalen wrote:

Point is... mainlines became mainline for a reason... tried and tested by master player over decades?

Of course one can win with Grob... but if White do not use one of top four opening... they waste the initiative? 

what is better a 0.2 rehearsed to death or a 0.1 or even a 0.00 where familiarity either gives you the edge or a time advantage?

Avatar of LionVanHalen

Familiar is good... Kaspy and RJF won with KID because they knew so well.

But nc3 could transpose to so many different...

Not a fan, to be honest.

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To be fair, you could have won with any opening against players of that caliber--they destroyed their own position and blundered all their pieces away.

Avatar of LionVanHalen

Grob is rubbish. 

Should be banned, for crimes against Chess.

Avatar of MagdeburgThePianist

To say the Grob is rubbish, is absurd; to say it should be banned, is ridiculous; to even imply that it imposes crimes against Chess, is insanity. Does anyone actually understand what Chess is?

Avatar of BL4D3RUNN3R

There are a couple of real refutations. So there's always hope that your opponent knows them all and cannot decide which one to choose and runs out of time.

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I believe it works fine for people like me who dont know how to answer it properly, but it ll not work against masters who know they opening theory.

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MagdeburgThePianist wrote:

To say the Grob is rubbish, is absurd; to say it should be banned, is ridiculous; to even imply that it imposes crimes against Chess, is insanity. Does anyone actually understand what Chess is?

And they say german peoples have no humour...

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At least I tried to be somewhat funny.... #542

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Sorry bro, i meant the MadPianist guy...

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Bobby Fischer: "I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves". 

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your average master not expecting it will not  play an ideal reply to the grob and white will get a playable position. Basman has gotten away with this countless times, even when they know who he is and how he plays. even in his game agaisnt Giri, he got an acceptable position and lost because his opponent was just a much stronger player.

Having said that , its objectively a little too far from  objective equality for me to endorse. In this day and age, where cloud engines have positions down to depth 50, preparing agaisnt you is easier than ever. Maybe if you are like IM Welling and literally play everything, then maybe your opponent will not even try preparing agaisnt you because its not worth it, but otherwise, i just cant recommend the Grob in OTB.

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BL4D3RUNN3R wrote:

There are a couple of real refutations. So there's always hope that your opponent knows them all and cannot decide which one to choose and runs out of time.

That's the advantage of having a blank memory like me, it's like I'm seeing everything for the first time, so I just make up my own way to play the Grob and find it interesting.