Why the Grob is Severely Underrated: An Analysis

TheChessNutHead
chessgm8 wrote:
Miaoiao wrote:

I think we understand each other better now. 

yay, finally

Yay!

DetectiveRams
TheChessNutHead wrote:
DetectiveRams wrote:
TheChessNutHead wrote:
pfren wrote:

Well... OK.

Anyone who thinks that the Grob is something close to "almost playable" after both 1...d5 or 1...e5, can post some hard evidence/analysis.

Didn't you check out the game with the player rated 2000+ who could force a draw on MAGNUS CARLSUN? That's evidence for me. 

In high level chess draws are quite common. With accurate play you can force draws with almost any opening. It's the winning that matters. Some people seem to forget that Carlsen is a human.

Yes, but the other player was also human. Both of them probably made mistakes.

May I remind you, human or not, these players are at the top of the world for a good reason. Chess masters are known to have a high accuracy rate, even in bullet.

Besides, even if they both did make mistakes, it makes you question the legitimacy of using this game as an example of the Grob's prowess.

Plus, if most games at high levels are draws, then the grob is totally underrated since he forced a draw with it.

No one cares if you force a draw. If he beat Magnus with it then yes, I would say it is underrated, unless Magnus somehow made an obvious blunder. It is not underrated if you draw with it. May I mention that you can even draw with other openings that are practically impossible to play for the win with, even in master levels.

 

DetectiveRams

Ok so I just read a comment above that said that the challenger was a 2200 player. I believe I am right in saying that there are a number of factors that could have caused a draw, not just that it was a actually a great opening. We probably never will know what really affects the result of a game between a champion and a far weaker challenger. I honestly think this debate has gone on long enough, and I am glad to see the two sides have come to an agreement. happy.png

t4t2e
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
DetectiveRams wrote:
TheChessNutHead wrote:
pfren wrote:

Well... OK.

Anyone who thinks that the Grob is something close to "almost playable" after both 1...d5 or 1...e5, can post some hard evidence/analysis.

Didn't you check out the game with the player rated 2000+ who could force a draw on MAGNUS CARLSUN? That's evidence for me. 

In high level chess draws are quite common. With accurate play you can force draws with almost any opening. It's the winning that matters. Some people seem to forget that Carlsen is a human.

do you realize the strength difference between a 2800 and a 2200?

yes

Miaoiao

Detective, would you play a game with me? I challenge you, 3 days for a move. I have Black, you play 1.g4. 

DetectiveRams
Miaoiao wrote:

Detective, would you play a game with me? I challenge you, 3 days for a move. I have Black, you play 1.g4. 

Daily chess isn't my type because some days I can't go on. Also the game would hardly be fair due to the fact that you are clearly far better than me.

Why do you want to play me anyway?

666Buffchix
DetectiveRams wrote:
Miaoiao wrote:

Detective, would you play a game with me? I challenge you, 3 days for a move. I have Black, you play 1.g4. 

Daily chess isn't my type because some days I can't go on. Also the game would hardly be fair due to the fact that you are clearly far better than me.

Why do you want to play me anyway?

 

My guess is that maybe he thinks beating you = refuting the Grob. Typical #chessorthodoxy thinking.

DetectiveRams

I have never real shown any pro-grob sentiments.

Miaoiao

Detective, I cannot see where you stand. I do not see to what opinion about the Grob you tend.

DetectiveRams

Actually I do incline more towards anti- Grob, as I have never really seen the true positional strengths of it.  However, I can also see where it has the surprise factor. I have more than once been caught off guard by the Grob, as I do not really research the theory behind it. 

You will notice this if you read some of my older posts. 

Miaoiao

ok. I appreciate that you do not claim that the Grob is an opening like all the others.

chessgm8
Miaoiao wrote:

ok. I appreciate that you do not claim that the Grob is an opening like all the others.

The Grob is still an opening, no matter how positionally sound or unsound it may appear. 

Elroch

It does seem to give a comfortable positional edge to black with good play by both sides after 1. g4.

666Buffchix

Honestly chess would grow if people played stuff like 1. g4 h5. I only want to play interesting games. If only more people could expand their JORIZONS, jaja..

chessgm8
666Buffchix wrote:

Honestly chess would grow if people played stuff like 1. g4 h5. I only want to play interesting games. If only more people could expand their JORIZONS, jaja..

1. g4 j5 ?? lol

Elroch

1. ... h5 is not a bad move, but it may not be as testing as 1. ... d5.

I really don't see there's a shortage of such inferior variations being played in chess, just not so many on move 1.

666Buffchix

Not bad, fake gm. Ajojojo..

bowlinggreen

20 pages on the subject on why playing g4 is ok

bowlinggreen

#1 worst forum ever

 

666Buffchix

On site since 2012, Diamond member with full access to MyTeacherSamsClub VIDEO library, and sub-1300 rating. It CHECKS out, you convinced me..I feeeeeel your opinion is one I will consider above the others in this thread!