Queen's Pawn opening, Zukertort! (bless you)

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MaetsNori wrote:
gambitnotablunder wrote:

I second this. 1.d4 d5 2. c4 can lead into the benko right? I forget

d4 d5

c4 is the Queen's Gambit.

Benko and the Benoni start from a different structure

d4 nf6

c4 c5

d5

Then they differ. The Benko Gambit is Black playing b5 there. (I'd put up diagrams, but they don't currently seem to be working on my computer).

Also that's really funny I said I second your advice without noticing your 800-900 elo higher than me LOL

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MaetsNori wrote:
 

Again, I recommend a setup that has a different pawn structure from the Jobava London and from the French (for maximum learning potential)- but that's up to you. King's Indian Defense is an option. Slav is another. Or, I think you mentioned the Dutch, which is also an option.

Against d4, I've put a few hours into the Dutch and mostly liking it. The King's Indian, I've given up on. The Slav, I've never looked at but I'll keep it in mind.

Against e5, I'm suddenly very excited about the French.

By the way, as White, playing d4, I hate when they play e5, and I'm not sure why but I'm seeing that a lot suddenly, and losing about twice as often as I win, so I'm also working on that.

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MaetsNori wrote:

The thing about developing a repertoire with different pawn structures is - it might feel harder to learn all these varied ideas (rather than trying a "universal" setup that you play all the time, with both colors) ... but over time, your strength and understanding as a player will grow much more, from all the different positions you are exposing yourself to.

It's kind of a double-edged sword. Harder, in a way. But more beneficial.

That really makes a lot of sense. I'm saving all your comments. Thanks again.

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The most aggressive dutch I've ever played! The engine hates my gambit with Ng4. I thought I would have something if he took my queen with his king stuck in the corner but I was completely wrong, I didn't want to give my opponent the opportunity to defend with his queen because I was going for mate
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delcai007 wrote:

By the way, as White, playing d4, I hate when they play e5, and I'm not sure why but I'm seeing that a lot suddenly, and losing about twice as often as I win, so I'm also working on that.

Englund Gambit.

It can be tricky, until you know the basic way to neutralize it.

So far, so good - it aligns with your London preferences. We've capture the gambit e4 pawn and have developed to protect the extra material.

Now comes the part to remember: Black wants the natural-seeming move here: bishop to c3. But that's a trap - it loses.

Example:

Now the c3 bishop is pinned, and White's rook is undefended. Anything White tries at this point is losing.

(Set up the position and try different things, you'll see how Black comes out on top.)

So what to do? We go back and play Nc3 instead of Bc3:

Now the bishop tactic won't work, and White is already better. For example:

White's got nearly all his pieces into the action. Black, meanwhile, is struggling to find good development squares for any of his pieces. Black will have a much harder game to play, with lots of threats to worry about from White's well-developed position.

As White, you'll still have to "play chess" from this point on - but it's going to be much harder for Black than it is for White.

EDIT: Black also has one last desperate trick up his sleeve:

 

Instead of ...Bb4, Black might try ...Nb4, double-attacking the c2-pawn. Here's a basic way to respond:

And no matter what Black tries here, he's going to be losing some material.

The Englund might seem hard, but once you study the above lines a bit, it shouldn't bother you anymore.

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wow

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It got too long for chess.com. In app I can’t see the rest. Noooooooo
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MaetsNori wrote:
delcai007 wrote:

By the way, as White, playing d4, I hate when they play e5, and I'm not sure why but I'm seeing that a lot suddenly, and losing about twice as often as I win, so I'm also working on that.

Englund Gambit.

It can be tricky, until you know the basic way to neutralize it.

...

The Englund might seem hard, but once you study the above lines a bit, it shouldn't bother you anymore.

Okay, I spent more time studying that than playing today, except against the computer. It's going to take a while... I memorized the first few lines, by playing them over and over against Maximum. This was in a real game and lucky for me, Black was pretty cooperative early on (ha ha). They resigned after move 20.

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After Qxf6, I was a bit lost, tbh.

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Josh11live wrote:
It got too long for chess.com. In app I can’t see the rest. Noooooooo

yep

I'm on a laptop but I moved it into a Google Doc file... easier to go through.

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What is the topic now. I keep forgetting the topic because I only come here from time to time and also I have stuff to do and also I have other forums to visit.
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Started with me wanting advice about my opening... I appreciate that I'm getting much more.

For White, it's the Jobava London. For Black it's mostly the Dutch and the French. Then I mentioned my trouble as when it's 1.d4 e5.

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You done with the gambit. It is called the Englund gambit. D4 e5
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still working on it as we speak, actually... practicing against Stockfish

The thing is, when e5 is played, my (Jobava) London is out the window, of course.

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anti-Englund Gambit, cheating against Maximum

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Why Maximum? Real people are good unless you are afraid of losing rating, but maximum calculates 16moves forward in all moves in 3secs. Anyone would have taken back with the queen after Bxe5.
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It’s not out of the window. You can sac the bishop and, then sacrifice… THE GAME!
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Josh11live wrote:
Why Maximum? Real people are good unless you are afraid of losing rating, but maximum calculates 16moves forward in all moves in 3secs. Anyone would have taken back with the queen after Bxe5.

I play Maximum to learn and memorize... I take advantage of his advice, like "Bc4 was good... Nf3 was best", and I consult studies, like @MaetsNori 's, above. 

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Josh11live wrote:
It’s not out of the window. You can sac the bishop and, then sacrifice… THE GAME!

I have been losing around 2 of 3 when Black plays the Englund Gambit. I'm trying to fix that.

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Super helpful info. I practiced Englund for 20min and I don’t need to anymore because I just follow the d4 e5 dxe5 Nc6 Nf3 Qe7 Bf4 Qb4+ Bd2 Qxb2 Nc3 Bb4 Rb1 Qa3 Rb3 and that’s your theory(why is blindfold chess kinda hard. Not asking for tips and pls don’t give tips becuase I know how to improve blimdfold chess). Also we have this line. D4 e5 dxe5 Bc5 Nf3 d6 exd6 Ne7 develop and voila.