He's had some rough patches, but he's a spectacular player, that's why.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1451858
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1415429
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1437581
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1654443
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1333033
He's had some rough patches, but he's a spectacular player, that's why.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1451858
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1415429
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1437581
No offense, but I think that only the first game shows him beating a top grandmaster. I'm kinda wondering if he just plays lower rated players to make it easier for him to get his rating high because a lot of top grandmasters he plays, he loses. To me, only Anand counts as a top grandmaster and maybe Shirov on your list and Giri just a little. All the other players were too much lower rated than him for it to really count as a notable win.
Well, even if he dropped two games in the Sinquefield cup, that's hardly "a lot" of the top grandmasters. He won the Alekhine ahead of Kramnik, Anand, and Adams, and his showing in the Candidates among Carlsen, Grischuk, Kramnik, Gelfand, Ivanchuk etc was strong (though, maybe not by his standards). I think it's harsh to say that he loses to "a lot" of the top grandmasters just because he drops a few games every now and again. He doesn't drop anymore games than most of the others in the top 10.
Well, even if he dropped two games in the Sinquefield cup, that's hardly "a lot" of the top grandmasters. He won the Alekhine ahead of Kramnik, Anand, and Adams, and his showing in the Candidates among Carlsen, Grischuk, Kramnik, Gelfand, Ivanchuk etc was strong (though, maybe not by his standards). I think it's harsh to say that he loses to "a lot" of the top grandmasters just because he drops a few games every now and again. He doesn't drop anymore games than most of the others in the top 10.
I guess a lot of chess books and notable games collections make Aronian look bad. With those games won against lower rated players, I guess he made really brilliant moves. It's like those Fischer games against people we've never heard that are always in the books. I guess he is a good player, but in last year's candidates, he was in the bottom half (5th place). It still seems he was better before this decade, but if you beat Anish Giri, you're still pretty good, just not good enough to be number 2. He should have been number two before this decade, but how does he stay number 2 now? Just wondering, how long has he been number two for?
Nobody plays flawlessy, not even Carlsen. Nobody never loses, not even Petrossian. And nobody always win, not even Kasparov. Aronian has been very regular and win more than he lose.
Well, almost flawlessy is enough to lose :)
Well, almost flawlessy is enough to lose :)
Absolutely.
Aside from Carlsen, he probably has the best results in the last few years in top tournaments. He's not there by luck. Some ridiculous posts here by people who obviously don't follow top level chess.
Yeah Giri's ok, he can play a bit.
Well, even if he dropped two games in the Sinquefield cup, that's hardly "a lot" of the top grandmasters. He won the Alekhine ahead of Kramnik, Anand, and Adams, and his showing in the Candidates among Carlsen, Grischuk, Kramnik, Gelfand, Ivanchuk etc was strong (though, maybe not by his standards). I think it's harsh to say that he loses to "a lot" of the top grandmasters just because he drops a few games every now and again. He doesn't drop anymore games than most of the others in the top 10.
what kind of grandmaster thats #2 in the world just "drops a few games every now and then"? i expect #2 in the world to play almost flawlessly, or aronian isnt the #2 in the world
You and OP are trolls or idiots. Here is the official FIDE rating list.
http://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men
Aronian is currently number two in the world, playing against the top opposition in the world as other posters have noted. It's a fact, direct from the FIDE website. Live with it.
Read those 2 posts again. They're saying pretty much the same thing as you.
Your comment is at best naive harry. Everyone loses sometimes, even the best in the world.
Yeah that's just a silly comment, by that logic the best player should never lose. That's not how chess works, and the rating system reflects expected results. If he wasn't doing as well as he should, he wouldn't be ranked where he is.
What harry is saying is that even though Aronian's rating is currently #2 in the world, he doesn't think of Aronian as the second best player in the wrold right now.
That wasn't what he was saying. He clearly said he shouldn't be #2 if he's losing to other top players. don't put words in his mouth.
It's like asking how a football team can win the league when they lost to a midtable team halfway through the season.
You said Aronian is not #2 in the world.
i wasnt saying it literally, i was only saying that #2 in the world should not be considered to be at the #2 level if they lose to other top grandmasters
Wrong again! ALL GMs lose games - Carlsen, Kasparov, Karpov, Capablanca, Alekhine, you name them, they lost games. There is this thing called the ELO rating system. You should look it up and generally get more educated about these things before making outrageous statements such as your post.
The main idea of what Harry is saying makes sense, if not the details. He's saying that the second-highest ranked player in the world is not necessarily the second best player in the world. Would you say that Aronian is clearly a better player than Anand, for instance?
You're making a completely different point than him.
But yeah he's clearly performing better than Anand over the last few years. It's not even an argument, check all the last few Tata Steels, Tal Memorials, London Chess Classic etc.
I notice that with todays notable games, Aronian doesn't win that many of them and most of today's notable games involving him show him losing. Yet, how is he still number 2 in the world?