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I have a theory on Bobby Fischer and Jose Capablanca

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RoobieRoo
Ziryab wrote:
RoobieRoo wrote:

lolz Bobby at least had some evidence, Russians were discussing games between themselves during tournaments while in play, Maggie was I dunno, paranoid?

I’m not saying Bobby was wrong. 

The supreme gentlemen Fischer was not wrong, Russkies were pumpkin eating for sure. XD

Ziryab

Bobby was right about the collusion, but he was not a supreme gentleman when he was complaining about it.

Nor when he was whining about the lighting. Nor the noise. Nor the paltry prize fund. Nor, …

He was often a gentleman. He just as often was not.

Time2c

I do not think Fischer was afraid of Karpov. I believe Bobby would have beaten him. And when judging the greatest, Bobby has some negatives against him where as Capablanca does not.So , I would give the #1 slot to Jose and Kasparov. His games possess a simple and startling beauty to them. If they had played one another, the lights in the room or some noise or the location , etc., etc. would have been wrong. And this sets the stage for an excuse if he had lost.

Ziryab

Against Capablanca, Lasker complained of the heat even though they played from 9:00 pm to 1:00 am.

See http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2021/04/refuge-from-havanas-sun.html

 

RoobieRoo

Bobby the supreme gentleman could not stomach all those people trying to make money from his gentlemanly name, this is why he objected to the cameras and also they were distracting him.  Any reasonable supreme gentleman would ask that they be removed or located to a different position.

lestrade2

This is 'sorta' interesting.
Yes, Bobby felt that memorizing openings was the most boring part of chess and so he devised Fischerandom. (He has a good point.)
Yes, Jose Raúl did not prepare much and never read chess books on opening theory.
This means that (a) Fischer would almost certainly have crushed Capablanca because of his far greater knowledge of openings as well as all the literature and theoretical advancement that Capablanca would never have seen. This also means that (b) Capablanca would very likely have crushed Fisher playing Fischerandom which set the value of openings knowledge to zero.
During his life they called Capablanca the Chess Machine (in part because he didn't lose a game in 8 years!) but, in reality, he played chess with one arm tied behind his back. In Fischer's day he, and everybody else, studied chess constantly. Capablanca just showed up and played. He had other interests. Heck, he played first board for Columbia University AND he played shortstop on their baseball team. Imagine Fischer doing that?

RoobieRoo

Bobby liked bowling and rock n roll. He was also a theologian and a submarine commander.

PDX_Axe

Capablanca played a total of 604 official match and tournament games. He won 313, drew 254, and only lost 37 serious games in his entire life. Capablanca played over 1,200 games that have been recorded. His ratio of losses, 5.7%, is the best achievement by any master in the history of chess. That percentage includes things like simuls, exhibition games, casual play, games from his childhood, etc. In 491 known simultaneous exhibitions, Capablanca played 13,545 games, winning 11,912 games, drawing 1,063 games, and losing 570 games, for a winning percentage of 92%. Despite all of this, he had said he wished he had played baseball instead of chess.

Capablanca lost his title to Alekhine in his first title defense in 1927. Alekhine refused to give him a rematch, and eventually would not play in any tournament with Capablanca. For years after his title loss, Capablanca was still one of the strongest players in the world, playing well into his 40's. In May-June 1936, Capablanca won at Moscow 1936 with 8 wins and 10 draws, one point ahead of Botvinnik. The international tournament was sponsored by the Russian Chess Federation and held at the Museum of Fine Arts in Moscow. In August, 1936, he tied for first place at Nottingham with Botvinnik. This was also the only meeting with Alekhine since their world championship match in 1927. Capablanca won in 38 moves. His nickname was "The Chess Machine". I can understand why.

Ziryab
RoobieRoo wrote:

Bobby liked bowling and rock n roll. He was also a theologian and a submarine commander.

A theologian?

He was taken in by and fleeced by a religious cult. Is that what you mean?

RoobieRoo

Actually he was quite a devout practitioner, it's a great pity that his chosen church were a bunch of charlatans. Evidence of his devout adherence is seen in the contract arrangements when he played a match with Reshevsky, the organisers tried to change the dates mid match and Bobby 2 awesome would not have it because it was against his religious observance (he kept some kind of sabbatical) So he pulled out and told them to get lost.

mpaetz

Exactly--he was a devout practitioner and hefty contributor to a racket led by cheap flim-flam artist Herbert W Armstrong, impoverishing himself to keep the cult leaders living la dolce vida. Finally he wised up; too late.

RoobieRoo

He still liked to read scripture though even despite his bad experience.

Verne9

I don't know about him being a Christian. Even if he was he was not a true Christian.

greatjehoshaphat

On the topic of Bobby Fisher, has anyone watched Searching for Bobby Fisher?

RoobieRoo

Yes I've watched it, it was ok, Fischer is simply portrayed as the elusive and enigmatic character that he was.

greatjehoshaphat

I agree.

greatjehoshaphat

Question.

greatjehoshaphat

Are y'all religious, or did religion for this topic just come up?

No offense. I'm non-denominational.

RoobieRoo

The interesting thing about Fischer was that you could not buy him, unlike Kasparov who would sell bottles of sauce with his effigy on it if he could,

"When he re turned from Reykjavik he had $2.5‐million cold in offers, and another $7‐million or so pending. All he had to do was sign his name. He didn't sign a thing.”