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Which Elite Chess Player of All Time Has the Most Natural Talent?

  • #301

    Impfren I have to agree with you I myself have been an unorthodox player all my life oh how I love to fish in troubled waters. I saw a few of his games amazing player .

  • #302
    IMpatzer wrote:

    Tony kapanny was a player who drew fischer at a philadelphia tournament when bobby was in his prime. Tony was also one of the board of directors of the phila chess club in center city.he passed on at 93 played tournament until 90 were he alive today he would tell you icc mystery guest71 has the most natural talent. In the year 1997 Tony told mystery guest71 as ha was giving tony a ride home from chess club. I quote; I must tell you something you are the best natural player I have ever seen in my entire life and I have seen them all come and go including Fischer. Imagine being on the recieving end of that statement? The interesting thing is he said this because he knew guest71 never read a chess book in his life never had any lessons teachers of any type. Yet he walked in off the street one day and began to beat experts and masters the first week and made it look easy. Tony said that in his late 80s. Too this day guest71 regrets not saying thank you but he was so shocked by it he never said a word.

    Why do you unbury a scam which was revealed some 13 years ago?

    Copypasting from a press clip of that era:

    In an interview on 28th January 2002 with the Icelandic television Fischer denies he played GM Nigel Short or anyone else on the internet. This way Fischer helped to reveal former rumours stating he played on the internet as untrue. In fact, it was a Canadian network expert posing as the former world champion. He played many games with his multi processor engines on Internet Chess Club (ICC) against titled players.

    guest71 was a bot feeding a chess engine.

  • #303

    Laszlo Polgar should be mentioned here.

    I think it makes sense because unlike the silly people with natural talent who play(ed) chess, Laszlo made chess players.

    Literally. He found a partner, said something along the lines of "Natural talent is nonsense, let us make science babies and prove it to be so." And then proceeded to make babies and...whatever your position on it is...reared them with tremendous intellectual talent manifest at a young age.

    So in terms of natural talent for chess...the man made chess players.

  • #304

    An interesting question....I thought immediately of several players:

    • Jose Raul Capablanca
    • Bobby Fischer
    • Garry Kasparov
    • Mikhail Tal
    • Magnus Carlsen

    Even though I am not a big fan of Kasparov as a person, my two top candidates are 

    • Kasparov
    • Capablanca.

    You can decide for yourself:

    Information about Capablanca;

    "I was born in Habana, the capital of the Island of Cuba, on the 19th of November 1888. I was not yet five years old when by accident I came into my father's private office and found him playing with another gentleman. I had never seen a game of chess before; the pieces interested me, and I went the next day to see them lay again. The third day, as I looked on, my father, a very poot beginner, moved a Knight from a white square to a white square. HIs opponent, apparently, not a better player, did not notice it. My father won, and I proeeded to call him a cheat and to laugh. After a little wrangle, during which I was nearly put out of the room, I showed my father what he had done. He asked me how and what I knew about chess? I answered that I could beat him; he said that that was impossible, considering that I could not even set the pieces correctly. We tried conclusions, and I won. That was my beginning....(From My Chess Career,1920.)

    Garry Kasparov:

    "...That same evening of decision Garry's parents set up a position from the local newspaper column run by the old chess master, Suryen Abramian.  Their little one, Garik (familiar form of Garry), did not raise his eyes from the board; after awaking the next morning--at breakfeast-- Garry suggested a move to solve the position. This amazed the family; no one had taught him the game. His father, curious, tested him on the notation for the different squares!...(From Garry Kasparov's Fighting Chess by Garry Kasparov, Jon Speelman and Bob Wade, Batsford,1995.)

    Another candidate is Paul Keres (or perhaps Benko), who achieved success even though  he grew up in an enviorment without any way of getting any chess knowledge: Throughout his childhood his only chess book was the outdated Dunfrense Manual of chess openings (and the weekly newspaper chess collumn). His chess growth was mostly through playing Online Chess (<g>) Games. (Correspondence Games)

  • #305

    Magnus Carslen is the most talented chess player ever, just look at the figures.
    He was 9 when he startet to take chess seriously, four years after he became the second youngest GM (at that time, third now).
    At age 19 he topped the FIDE ranking as the youngest ever - and he has had that position almost continously after that.  
    At the age of 22 he became the second youngest world champion of all time, a position he very likely could have had before if he had not refused to play in the candidates tournament two years earlier.
    He has won 21 of the last 30 tournaments he has played. And we have to go back four years to find a tournament where he did not end up in first or second place.
    He has the highest FIDE rating of all time, a rating that has been very stable since then. Number 2 on the rating list is 70 points behind. 
    And a lot more could have been mentioned.


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