who is the best ALEKHINE or FISCHER

Ofcourse Morphy didnt make or change chess rules. Most of us may think chess is so rich its development may never end. But Morphy and Casablanca shared a total knowledge of chess. Both found chess boring. But Morphy combined and developed and showed us all logic principles. The only thing we do nowadays is finetuning. Even the computer didnt find new priciples. Morphy brought us near the very egde of chess. Currently almost everybody could become a gm. This was certainely not the case before Morphy.

Sir,

I think it is very strange to say there are hardly any games of morphy noted. First Morphy travelled around the world and challenged anyone for game of chess to see if anyone could match him. So he played many matches. It would be very strange if they were not noted. Also he played for the championship of the USA it would be very strange if these matches were not noted. And there were noted. I posses big work containing hundreds of matches of morphy including 1 of the few matches where he did make a real mistake complete with sidenotes for the sake of the study of chess.

Also calling Morphy the weakest of the strongest players is very strange. Noone was near matching him in his age. So calling him the weakest of the strongest players is also calling his age the weakest of all times while it produced some of the finest evergreens. I can not combine this. 

I hope you are not going to deny the very existent of Morphy next.

Well that is true. Morphy did find principles of chess and travel around the world to match other players, even though chess was unofficial that time. The thing is that over the years players get stronger in every generation. Possibly most of the gm's and fide champions may beat Morphy. The only reason why I am saying noyone could beat Alekhine, if he were alive today is his generation with Steintz, Lasker and, Capablanca was legendary. He also died unbeatable as his only campanion was the chess board.

Guys. Morphy and Alekhine are good, but, come on, nobody knows how to destroy an opponent's defenses like Bobby Fischer. Consider his game against Thomason:

He totally smashed White's strong opening and brought white to his knees. I don't care who you think is the best, the only person I've ever seen do what Fischer does is Bobby Fischer himself. Morphy, Capablanca, Alekhine, Tal, Kasparov, Carlsen, Nakamura, etc. are all AMAZING players, but Fischer was the best we've had yet.

BTW, fischer was only 12 YEARS OLD in this game.

The game looks normal to me.

Normal? It's normal to trade a rook for a queen in that position? You would have thought to do that? If so then your rating should be much higher than 1400.

His oponnent traded a rook for a queen, and resigned.

No you are wrong. Morphy is not the best. Time control has nothing to do with this.

Copier of kennytiger

Dude a queen is more than a rook

Yeah, it would be.

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This has been posted to death...

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"Couldn't ? How do you mean ?!  a)Did not get a chance to   b)Was not able to   c)Would  not be able to    Clarification would be appreciated."

• Clarification??? He makes ridiculous request after request so the match never happens....its as good as losing. If he was the best would have faced Karpov...you know the guy that had a 14-2 record against Spassky. 

It is impossible and aslo  not serious to compare the playing strength of two non-contemporary chess players. Alekhine was far away of,  or clearly better  than all his opponents . An Elo-Comaration is nonsense and impossible. Alekhnes  Elo was ESTIMATED  to be about 2781 and probably his best Elo 2860 (there was no Elo- System during Alekhines life, becaues FIDE accepted the Elo System in 1970 !! So what about Fscher ? If we analyze Elo , his highest would be about 2785 (see also chessgames.com), however an approximative estimation of his highest Elo ever was thought to be  about 2895 (October 1971). So we can see, even if Alekhines Rating System is only an approximation, both players had similar strength. But what about their strength without numbers and mathematics ? If you read independent ches books and articles, you also can learn that both players was clearly better than their strongest opponents , of course in their best times ! Lifestyle? I would mention, that Alekhine had a problems with alcoholism and 1934-1936, and during 2 nd world war 1941-his death he druk definitely too much. In 1937-1940 he did quite the alcohol and before 1932 he was drinking lets say socially. Fischer drunk "only" orange juice", his problem was not alcohol (to my knowledge), but his nature was his problem. So, who was a better player? I dont know. But i m sure i will post a truth if i write down that Alekhine and Fischer were maybe the best chess players ever born , but i would like to underscore MAYBE, because some great players like Cralsen show us, that maybe one day there will be additional players of huge strength. AS for the fact, Alekhine or Fischer afraid to face someone (Alekhine a rematch with Capablanca, Fischer a match with Karpov), i think in both cases it is simply not true. I could find the archived noticed of Alekhine-capablanca correspondation (Alekhine was willing to play in 1930, and even in 1921....) In a sentence, a rematch would have taken place in 1930 or 1931 had Capablanca not sought (for good reasons) a postponement. As revealed in correspondence between A. and C., Alekhine received Capablanca’s formal challenge on November 14, 1929, which he accepted in a letter of November 28, 1929, and in which he also fixed the start of the match between October 15 and December 15, 1930. Capa put down a deposit of $500 and tried unsuccessfully to organize a match for those dates in the United States. In a letter to Alekhine of June 1, 1930, the Cuban requested that the match be moved to early 1931; and Alekhine promptly agreed in a letter of June 18, to a new date of February 15, 1931. Capablanca then dropped a bombshell. In a letter dated June 18, 1930 - the same date as Alekhine’s letter - he wrote, “I find a clerical error was made in my letter of June 1, 1930. My proposal for the match is for the Winter 1931 - 32.” Which is to say, for a starting date NOT in early 1931 but a year thence in early 1932. Alekhine responded on July 3, 1930, stating that he would not entertain future challenges from Capablanca unless they were “formally supported by a Federation or backers known in the chess world, in each case guaranteeing the financial side of the match.”  And Fischer? He stated his rules for the match with Karpov in 1975, but this was declined by FIDE. Fischer wanted to play only if all of his conditions would be accepted. Since this was not the case, Fischer rejected his chess-throne and it was given to Karpov. As for the Alekhine s End of Career: He remained undefeated until his death in 1946. Both were GREAT PLAYERS, without any doubth. If i m thinking rationally, it is impossible to say who was "better"......

Personally i have bo chance to know this facts, but i know Alekhine was never and never a Nazi, because my grandfather knew his family very well, and Alekhine received death threats , if he should not write some pro-nazi articles. In 1946 in hotel estoril (where Alekhine was probably murdered, according to his pathologist who had to write death certificate), Alekhine told the Violin player(Neumann) from Belgium being in the same hotel  near his hotel room 43, what he had to do, only to survive this war. And at the end Alekhine added: I sutvived the 1st war, I survived teh 2nd war, both wars took from me everything i have, but there is a huge difference "After 1st world war, i was 26 and hat a lot of energy... Now i m an old man with health problems and have no motivation to quit alcohol......"

Alekhine was champion for 17 years and died as champion. Fischer was champion for three years and died 33 years after relinquishing world title. I love Bobby but Alekhine was GOAT.