Who is the greatest chess player of all time ?? Bobby Fischer ??

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mdinnerspace1

The L shape is not particularly well suited. Imagine blindfolded. 1 square vertical or 1 horiz then 1 square diagonal forward works best imo. The knight does not jump over but through the 1st square.

SmyslovFan

A knight jumps three squares and falls over one. Or, on a bad day, jumps one square and falls over three. 

My first chess book was a book on the Fischer-Spassky 1972 match. I remember following the games of the match every night. I was ~9 years old at the time. Fischer was the first professional  chess player whose name I knew, and Spassky was the second. I was part of the Fischer generation too. 

mdinnerspace1

Yep. Dependent on the LA Times for reports of the games. Made 2nd Page As I recall.

DjonniDerevnja

I have seen some Kincrusher videoes on Fisher this evening. Especially I liked game 5 in the Fischer -Larsen match. It was extremely clean and beautiful. Perfect art! 

JeffGreen333
mdinnerspace1 wrote:

The L shape is not particularly well suited. Imagine blindfolded. 1 square vertical or 1 horiz then 1 square diagonal forward works best imo. The knight does not jump over but through the 1st square.

What if the horizontal and vertical squares are blocked?  Then he'd have to make his diagonal move first.   L is easier for me to remember.  No matter which squares are blocked, he can jump over them in an L pattern (just like a real horse would  lol).   

JeffGreen333
SmyslovFan wrote:

A knight jumps three squares and falls over one. Or, on a bad day, jumps one square and falls over three. 

My first chess book was a book on the Fischer-Spassky 1972 match. I remember following the games of the match every night. I was ~9 years old at the time. Fischer was the first professional  chess player whose name I knew, and Spassky was the second. I was part of the Fischer generation too. 

You are the same age as me then.  I was also 8 or 9 in 1972.   

SmyslovFan

On a slightly more serious note, I think it was Lasker who explained the N move most succinctly: 1 straight move in any direction and then a diagonal move away from that square that is not already occupied by a friendly piece. 

JeffGreen333

Yeah, it's just second nature to me.   Has anyone ever tried doing The Knights Tour?   That's where you put one knight on an empty board and you have to make it hit every square on the board once.

mdinnerspace1

SmyslovFan wrote:

On a slightly more serious note, I think it was Lasker who explained the N move most succinctly: 1 straight move in any direction and then a diagonal move away from that square that is not already occupied by a friendly piece.

Beg your pardon but this is incorrect. In any direction could also imply a diagonal move, then followed by a diagonal move is illegal. The 1st move must be either along a rank or file, horizontal or vertical then diagonally in a forward movement. (Can not be back towards the starting square) 

Once taught as the L shape it is difficult to envision any other. LIke a golf swing. Old habits are near impossible to break. I did. Simply envision chess moves blindfolded, and you'll see Laskers description superior to the L shape.

mdinnerspace1

Knights do not jump over pieces, but through a square, occupied or not.

mdinnerspace1

Trivia on the Knights tour. Try it once, few succeed. There exists more solutions than grains of sand on the earth. Hard to fathom, but fact.

mdinnerspace1

I can now see where a "straight" move implies rank or file, but might be confusing as someone might suggest a diagnal is straight after all .

JeffGreen333
mdinnerspace1 wrote:

SmyslovFan wrote:

On a slightly more serious note, I think it was Lasker who explained the N move most succinctly: 1 straight move in any direction and then a diagonal move away from that square that is not already occupied by a friendly piece.

Beg your pardon but this is incorrect. In any direction could also imply a diagonal move, then followed by a diagonal move is illegal. The 1st move must be either along a rank or file, horizontal or vertical then diagonally in a forward movement. (Can not be back towards the starting square) 

Once taught as the L shape it is difficult to envision any other. LIke a golf swing. Old habits are near impossible to break. I did. Simply envision chess moves blindfolded, and you'll see Laskers description superior to the L shape.

Well, I've been playing chess for 45 years, so I don't even have to think about it any more.  

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The_Ghostess_Lola

BF was good, but inarguably lacked creativity....his only weakness. It's a sore subject for some that's festered into feelings of deep disdain by way of contempt. 

clms_chess
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

BF was good, but inarguably lacked creativity....his only weakness. It's a sore subject for some that's festered into feelings of deep disdain by way of contempt. 

So says the Ghostess. Ok then, that is now a lead pipe locked fact... cause Lola says. :)

SmyslovFan
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

BF was good, but inarguably lacked creativity....his only weakness. It's a sore subject for some that's festered into feelings of deep disdain by way of contempt. 

The reason some people believe Fischer lacked creativity is that he had a very narrow opening repertoire and didn't create an opening line that bore his name. 

There's far more to chess than naming opening lines. Fischer's creativity was clearly evident in his many brilliancies. Anyone who plays through Fischer's games knows that Fischer was creative. His creativity was different from Tal's for example. But he approached positions in a way that astounded the best players in the world. 

chessspy1
This problem seems to be have been solved recently by Alex Chernov, see sequence A165134 in OEIS, who claims that there are 19,591,828,170,979,904 open tours (where rotations and reflections are counted separately).
SmyslovFan

For those who don't know, George Koltanowski used to do blindfold Knight tours in his live displays. His feats of memory were remarkable.

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richie_and_oprah wrote:

Fischer-love is a serious tell that someone may have neurological damage.

If someone you know or love has an obsession with Bobby Fischer get them a complete neurological checkup and don't be surprised when you find out they place on the spectrum.