Who is the strongest non-world champion chess player?

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TheronG12 wrote:

If he resigned his title, how can anyone claim he still held it?

Who ever said the FIDE title was the only title?  Who gave FIDE the right to organize a title after Alekhine died?  They took it upon themselves.

It is abundantly clear that Fischer had established himself as the most dominant player of all time during 1970-72.

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JamieDelarosa wrote:
TheronG12 wrote:

If he resigned his title, how can anyone claim he still held it?

Who ever said the FIDE title was the only title?  Who gave FIDE the right to organize a title after Alekhine died?  They took it upon themselves.

It is abundantly clear that Fischer had established himself as the most dominant player of all time during 1970-72.

What is abundently clear is Fischer staked his claim to being the best up til 1972, not of all time.  

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Fischer was the greatest,of all time!

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Gugh. I just left one thread that was all about Fischer and landed in this one, which should have just about nothing to do with Fischer.

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I see a lot of penis envy going on. ;^)

Fischer must have been the cock of the walk.

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My favourites: Morphy (the best early chess player, too early really) , Keres(take down 9 world champion, never became WC himself), Korchnoi (won over 150 tournaments)

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No Frank Marshall? Is he not as strong as I like to think he is? 

I vote Frank Marshall.

EDIT: I am thinking about this and deciding that maybe literally the strongest non-world champion ever is a little far, but I still think he should be thrown into the pot and given some appreciation and respect.

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batgirl wrote:
CapaIII wrote:

true his 2-2 match against uhlmann viktor was 84

Wolfgang, his opponent, was 80.

its true he was 80

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I think Aronian and Topalov are good candidates.

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Pai_Mei wrote:

I think Aronian and Topalov are good candidates.

they are modern players

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CapaIII wrote:
Pai_Mei wrote:

I think Aronian and Topalov are good candidates.

they are modern players

Nothing about the topic title or the original post stipulates that they can't be.

In fact, since the word "strongest" is used, which suggests the OP is thinking about objective playing strength with little or no relative/contextual considerations, I think modern players are the most natural candidates.

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your right its true i said modern players i meant that means they are good candidates

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I would definitely be in the Bronstein or Larsen bandwagon.  I'm surprised I haven't seen Larsen mentioned more in this thread.

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I nominate Grumpy cat!

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Oppps! Wrong thread

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Wait, never mind

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Right thread!

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"Marshall may have been the best non-champion"

No.

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BettorOffSingle wrote:
DamonevicSmithlov wrote:
BettorOffSingle wrote:

Gata lacked the opening strength to become world champion. 

Yeah, kind of like Magnus. Sigh.......... if only he'd spent more time on openings.

If Kasparov hadn't taken up politics no one would ever have heard of Carlsen. 

What exactly makes you so sure about that?

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Yeah. The best players never to have been world champion will all be playing.