can people get away with cheating?
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izzie wrote:
anyone who cheats is only cheating themselves
I agree completely. Even I have thought about it, when I've playd 3 or 4 games in a row against someone and they always beat me. If you are capable of learning that way then it may not be the worst thing you could do. But do it in a unrated game, where you don't hurt the ratings of another with your cheating. Or play against yourself and find the ways that others beat you and how to stop them. Cheating on here won't go away, that's just the way it is, but, sometimes the cheaters are easy to spot.
Dec 9, 2007
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#23
we have two plans to COMPLETELY ERADICATE ALL CHEATING! please tell me which one you would prefer.
plan A) we are going to take advantage of low-cost labor and suggest that every chess.com member hire somebody to sit down next to them when they play on chess.com to physically be present when they make their moves, or for any extended period of time between moves. these people would then then get a large graphic next to their names on the site that would say CERTIFIED HONEST. everyone else will be under huge suspicion.
plan B) we are going to see if we can get some pre-cognizant children and raise them to live in a large pool and hold hands. then, any time they sense somebody is about to cheat they will start chanting that person's chess.com name and we will then notify the police and disable their account, sending an additional notice to their employer that they are dishonest.
what do you all think?
I like plan B. The first plan is just fantasy, but the second is science fiction!
I also vote for Plan B.
That's hilarious erik , at least someone is having fun with this . Seriously , if you play online chess you have to expect ( unfortunately ) that at some point you will play against a cheater . I play mainly at ICC and out of 500 or so games , I have encountered not more than 3-4 cheaters. Online chess should be a learning tool and because online ratings can be well off from your OTB rating they shouldn't be compared anyway. I know that if it wasn't for online chess I would play much less , so no matter what I am a great fan of it .
Anyway - isn't the whole point of online chess the interaction between two or more humans? Playing chess games is just a nominal excuse for that interaction and winning's kind of a side issue in comparison. Isn't it? In which case, a "cheater" would be someone who's managed to synthesise a human, not a winning position. If someone has an AI programme like that, they'd be better off marketing it for something useful, rather than pretending to be an online opponent. But then, maybe all you people out there don't really exist... Maybe I'm the last human chess-player on earth..?
My view about cheating is simply that sin carries its own punishment. I think people cheat primarily because they are insecure (about their intellect, height, weight, hair... whatever) and compensate by trying to make themselves feel important, even in something as trivial (in the bigger scheme of things) as online chess. 
Well, the irony of it all is that the feeling of being a phoney is inescapable and soon catches up, making the cheater feel more insecure and feeding a vicious circle that usually stops when he (not too many keen girl chess players here or elsewhere, eh) loses interest or comes to his senses. 
In a lighter vein, some of you might find my article on Spiders and Drugs as amusing as I did. By the way Erik, keep up the good work with this cool avenue for friendship and intense fun! And to everyone on chess.com - admins, players, bloggers, jokers and story-tellers (esp good ol' Dozy) - hope you all have a joyous Christmas and a blessed New Year!
Its not surprising to me that every chess player I have seen voice the opinion that a cheater is only cheating themselves is a complete hack.
likesforests wrote:
http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/0524/newton_ap.html
"Every time I put him in check, he'd give up and want to start a new game ... I tried to tell him you never give up ... I just got tired of it." Although this wasn't an online game, but a game between prison cellmates. How's that for a deadly mix?
would have been fun to have that sicko participating in some of the forum topics....
I really dont get what cheaters gain from cheating!! I mean even if there was money on the line while playing online, I will never EVER cheat!! I will feel horrible if I did cheat. I mean my rating rite now in chess.com is 1515 and I'm not actually satisfied with it, yet I wanna earn my rating, not cheat my way to a very high one!!
Loomis wrote:
"you have a deadly mix."
I seriously doubt there have been fatalities as a result of online chess. Strange things do happen though :-).
If there haven't been it's a miracle. The way people hide behind avatars and screennames and think their actions have no consequences. People taking games as seriously as online poker. Boasting about their ratings as if they were issued by the FIDE. We all need to take note and change our ways!
Dec 10, 2007
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normdeplume wrote: Hmmm... I'm thinking of the old adage: "What you spot is what you've got" and I notice you have a rating of seventeen hundred and something and a 100% winning record... Plus, you're beating ME at the moment! Hmmm... ;o)
wow i have i rating of 1700! other ppl have ratings of 2000+! that means they are massive cheaters then!....... can ppl plz look at the game between me and normdeplume, u will see an extremely stupid move from him where he hangs his knight......and then a pawn..... then he makes 3 other poor moves where he loses another 3 pawns............ that my friend is why u are losing!
I just found another cheater, isidor
you can notice:
99% won, and if you look for the lost game, he resigned and played so stupidly, he is cheating also by opening games ONLY with greater rating (they know they will gain more points beating high players.
here is my Plan C:
to force you to play 3 unrated games with players around your score, also to play 3 live games :)
I personally hate cheaters but thats not my problem, ;)
I like what two players have suggested on this site in other forums. First - look at a player's history and decide. They will bring the same game every time. And if that game is 99% wins, and a rating of 2205, well...you know what you're getting into. Second, I forgot what I was going to write. Yeah I think it was likesforests who inpspired me with the idea that someone who uses a comp will use it consistently, and their history will reflect that. Ok that's all. Good luck in chess land!
I looked at isidor's last three games, and although nobody knows for certain but isidor, I don't believe they're using a computer. In isidor-glassworks, isidor's attack looks quite human. It was aggressive but strategically unsound, and overlooked some tactics. In isidor-unbelievable his opponent made an obvious tactical mistake and he exploited it to win. In isidor-mig, isidor was losing but mig timed out. However, their rating may be somewhat inflated due to short-term luck or their opponent selection.
Dec 24, 2007
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hey guys thanks for your comments, but im still not satisfied that ppl can get away with cheating on this site
Dec 24, 2007
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#38
feyterman wrote: hey guys thanks for your comments, but im still not satisfied that ppl can get away with cheating on this site
i totally agree with you. there is ONE place i go to play where i guarantee nobody cheats: www.nocheatingchessplace.com - check it out!
Even if a cheater gets caught and his account removed, how can we stop him or her from opening a new account with a different name?
Dec 24, 2007
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#40
One of the problems is this intense focus on ratings. I guess maybe it's just that I'm more of a casual player and (although slightly obsessed) don't hang my worth as a human being on whether my rating goes up or down. Chess, in the real world, is played by relatively few, so I'm just happy that there are places online to play people. Moves that make little sense at the time that prove to be fatal later in the game can be a 'tell' that someone's getting help from CM.