Chess.com FAQs and Discussion on Cheating

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What?????? Not only are your assumptions utterly false but I also suspect you will fail to live up to your promise.

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Your fanaticism is so strong that you will quit playing here just because you think there are people who are clever cheaters even though you admit you can't prove "ICCF-style" cheating and you personally don't ever have to play them?  The expression 'shooting off your nose to spite your face' comes to mind. 

Or is this a ploy to try and strongarm chess.com into banning whatever pathetic bastard has caught your eye this week?

Try apathy.  It's healthier.

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For the community as a whole.

ive played in 150 -200 OTB tournaments, 100's of club rated games, and have had an OTB rating since1989....so i dont know how you can say that people here dont play 'real' chess!

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OMGosh, I can't believe R_&_O would consider leaveing chess.com. Your patronage and involvement is a part of what makes this site so enjoyable. If you where a poker player I'd call your bluff and toast a hearty laugh with you after you muck your cards.

And this makes me more sure that what is played here is not chess. Look, you are 2000 OTB, yet here there are ~2500 players better than you. Hmm... so many tough players? 

Look at the OTB rating of the top 5 online players. Well, what is OTB? :))

What to believe? If all the top players here play indeed chess, then for sure I understand nothing of it and I should better start playing checkers :)

But what do the top 5 players have to do with you?  You act as if players like gumpty are the exception in a sea of cheaters when the complete opposite is true!  The cheaters are the exception.  Gumpty and others like him who also have a long history of OTB chess experience are typical chess.com players.  There's nothing unusual about them.  They're here to play chess as you know it, not advanced chess or ICCF style chess.

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A lot. They basically show where you can reach in this type of game. I learned the chess I know studying GM's games. I do not want to learn the game played here from the top players on chess.com. I don't like this game.

I'm not saying here about cheaters. No, many top players here do not cheat, they are above cheating. If you follow their games with an engine, you won't obtain a conclusive correlation of the moves. Because they play much better than an engine. That is modern ICCF correspondence chess, it's not my chess, and I don't want to play that.

You act as if you're being forced to play a certain way!  You don't have to play anyone you don't want to play.  If you think the top players are playing a different kind of chess then don't play them.  All of this stuff you keep saying about how online chess isn't real chess is b.s.  Online chess is whatever you make out of it.  If you want to play OTB style chess then play opponents who have the same interest.  There are groups here that cater to people just like you.

Honestly, I think you're being disingenuous, purposely trying to make a mountain out of a molehill in an effort to try and force the powers-that-be to do your bidding.  By threatening to quit in a very vocal way the hope is that they'll ban someone to keep you quiet.  It worked last time (for a week) so why not try it again, right? 

I hate cheaters but you know who I hate even more?  Snitches.

''I realized that what is called here "online" chess is just chess for people who never played a real chess game OTB. And they will never play. '' it was this point by Costelus that i was referring to, in which he clearly states that people who play here dont play OTB, i think you missunderstood my point :-)

Yes ofcourse its a different game, it has pros and cons...sure it does. OK answer me this....can you play OTB chess from work? can you play OTB chess in the comfort of your own home? can you play OTB chess at 2am on a cold winters night? can you play unlimited games / tournys OTB? can you afford to play OTB as much as you can afford to play here? in my opinion, the pros far outway the cons, yes they are 2 different things, and for me nothing will ever replace the feeling that OTB gives me, but the fact is that OTB tournys/games are great but not always possible, due to family/money/time/ etc etc,. So chess.com for many of us has its place, and i think it fills that void brilliantly.

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You are being a bit disingenious. 

Firstly, I don't think anyone that plays on chess.com equates online chess with OTB chess. To imply that anyone does think so, and then complain about the additional aids offered here, such as analysis boards, is most certainly disingenious. You're begging the question.

Secondly, are you under the delusion that cheating does not occur in OTB play? Surely, with all your OTB experience you've seen it happen. In my experience, paltry by comparison and of course only anectdotal, it most certainly does occur. Perhaps not with computer engines, but it does occur.

I guess I'm delusional, but I do think chess here is indeed remotely the same as OTB chess.   

I've been playing a long time but I've learned quite a bit in my brief time on this site that can and should improve my OTB play -- cheaters or no cheaters.   

I've played a lot of USCF correspondence chess and this is LOT more entertaining!   

1. Gumpty: of course, what I said must not be generalized to all the players here. As for you, I enjoyed very much playing with you and I will always play again, any time control, live chess or online. 

2. You are right, if you have a job and a family, it's very hard to find time to play OTB. That's why online chess became (almost) the only alternative.

3. There is a site which does a much better at job fighting "advanced players" or cheaters. There, I had the chance to play an IM (twice, not simul, long time control - I think that 20 mins per side). Maybe I will buy a membership there again.

4. It's not only about cheaters, I also don't like this type of chess. In fact, I play worse than OTB. I don't like to make a move, then wait 4 days, forget the position, then make another move ... until I make a mistake. But, the main reason is the advanced chess (which migth not be necessarily engine assistance, but extensive usage of huge databases).

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Here you go Richie!  It worked great for me 

http://lasik.com/

I wonder if the site should consider something in between the all-or-nothing ban and what they do now. Something more like the (C) that at least one other site does.

I am not the only person who finds the following stats odd.

0/3 titled players in 2800+

2/15 titled players in 2700+

3/58 titled players in 2600+

5 titled players in top 100, 6 in top 150, 8 in top 200

odd

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How about a ratings cap for untitled players -- say 2400 or 200 points above a documented FIDE rating (if any) along with some indication that the rating has been capped ?   A warning label  ?

Something like:

WARNING!  Dude is probably cheating, but we can't prove it ... yet.

 

I know that a well known logo of a chess site was "where the grandmasters play online chess". I suggest a chess.com logo: "chess.com - where the grandmasters are defeated by amateurs at online chess".

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Costelus, this schtick is tired.  Give it a rest.