CMNiemann banned for “Abuse”

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Martin_Stahl wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

...I’ve seen many people banned for "abuse" who still have their posts and replies up. ....

That doesn't happen unless it's requested to unmuted. That normally only happens temporarily in situations where the banned member was a club admin and there's a need to copy existing posts so clubs don't lose important data

Bans always mute

Can you explain this then?? This happened in chess.com community club

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TheMidnightExpress12 wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

...I’ve seen many people banned for "abuse" who still have their posts and replies up. ....

That doesn't happen unless it's requested to unmuted. That normally only happens temporarily in situations where the banned member was a club admin and there's a need to copy existing posts so clubs don't lose important data

Bans always mute

Can you explain this then?? This happened in chess.com community club

Likely just a delay in the mute.

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oh ok

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RonaldJosephCote wrote:

I said he came off as "believable" yesterday. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. YOU, on the other hand, have a 1 day old account, and your complaining about the moderation?

Hi, I think you were a little more certain than that. You did say "this is he".

I thought it was a funny situation. I thought it may or may not be him. Maybe 50/50, so I did give him credit.

There was the use of CM and the very weak rating standing against it. Someone said he'd won tournaments but I didn't check that out. I thought there would be a fair chance of him not being here today. However I supported him because I have a beef about the standard of moderation here. I think I've seen evidence that the good ones like Martin are obviously cautious and that shouldn't be the case. Like they can't speak out and be honest if they want to remain in post. It's only a guess though .... but there are certainly people posting here about whom nothing is being done, whose agenda is obviously to discredit others who are seen, somehow, by themselves or somebody or other, as a threat. A political thing? Who knows. Maybe I AM delusory, as some others have suggested. happy.png Will I be here tomorrow after saying that? Possibly since I'm not famous.

And that leads me to think a bit more about the implications ....

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
TheMidnightExpress12 wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:

...I’ve seen many people banned for "abuse" who still have their posts and replies up. ....

That doesn't happen unless it's requested to unmuted. That normally only happens temporarily in situations where the banned member was a club admin and there's a need to copy existing posts so clubs don't lose important data

Bans always mute

Can you explain this then?? This happened in chess.com community club

you can go around there are literally people making forum threads and getting banned on purpose and they still are there in years, this mod is just saying things that are not true.

Prove it and give some examples.
Unless staff unmuted the account after the fact, for some reason, accounts that are closed for TOS violations are muted when being closed.

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Optimissed wrote:

.. However I supported him because I have a beef about the standard of moderation here. I think I've seen evidence that the good ones like Martin are obviously cautious and that shouldn't be the case. Like they can't speak out and be honest if they want to remain in post. It's only a guess though ....

This isn't accurate. The site has specific moderation guidelines and those are simply not as hard line as some members would like. Of course, they are more hard line than some other members like. surprise

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

I said he came off as "believable" yesterday. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. YOU, on the other hand, have a 1 day old account, and your complaining about the moderation?

Hi, I think you were a little more certain than that. You did say "this is he".

I thought it was a funny situation. I thought it may or may not be him. Maybe 50/50, so I did give him credit.

There was the use of CM and the very weak rating standing against it. Someone said he'd won tournaments but I didn't check that out. I thought there would be a fair chance of him not being here today. However I supported him because I have a beef about the standard of moderation here. I think I've seen evidence that the good ones like Martin are obviously cautious and that shouldn't be the case. Like they can't speak out and be honest if they want to remain in post. It's only a guess though .... but there are certainly people posting here about whom nothing is being done, whose agenda is obviously to discredit others who are seen, somehow, by themselves or somebody or other, as a threat. A political thing? Who knows. Maybe I AM delusory, as some others have suggested. Will I be here tomorrow after saying that? Possibly since I'm not famous.

And that leads me to think a bit more about the implications ....

he literally said "I'm old enough to know who this is, and i can confirm ITS HIM, it's true". and now all of a sudden after some moderators came here and all the people go against the OP he changes his mind.

can confirm that ronald did say something among these lines

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
 

he literally said "I'm old enough to know who this is, and i can confirm ITS HIM, it's true". and now all of a sudden after some moderators came here and all the people go against the OP he changes his mind.

That's because it's a bit of a funny situation. happy.png

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I just had a red banner today for a completely inoffensive post, where I was agreeing with someone who was arguing against me. (He thought chess is a "Game of Perfect Information", just as we're told to believe. I was arguing that it isn't. Nothing remotely political in the thread except maybe for the trolls.)

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"Old enough" could refer to when he was actually CMN.

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Optimissed wrote:

"Old enough" could refer to when he was actually CMN.

but the dude wasnt cmn

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Yeah there's something wrong with the word filtration system, I made a post earlier with nothing remotely controversial in it and was warned about it. I still don't even know what the warning was for. 
If you're gonna have an automated banning system it needs to work well, give good feedback, and so on. Ideally it wouldn't be fully automated, either.

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i think almost all bans for abuse are certainly false bans

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StandStarter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

"Old enough" could refer to when he was actually CMN.

but the dude wasnt cmn

oh, ok.

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crazedrat1000 wrote:

Yeah there's something wrong with the word filtration system, I made a post earlier with nothing remotely controversial in it and was warned about it. I still don't even know what the warning was for. 
If you're gonna have an automated banning system it needs to work well, give good feedback, and so on. Ideally it wouldn't be fully automated, either.

I was talking to a staff member about 3 years ago. I recommended some things, including proper feedback regarding warnings. He liked it enough to give me two lots of three months diamond. Said he would put it forward. Er, he isn't here now and no-one is addressing the problems.

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Optimissed wrote:
crazedrat1000 wrote:

Yeah there's something wrong with the word filtration system, I made a post earlier with nothing remotely controversial in it and was warned about it. I still don't even know what the warning was for. 
If you're gonna have an automated banning system it needs to work well, give good feedback, and so on. Ideally it wouldn't be fully automated, either.

I was talking to a staff member about 3 years ago. I recommended some things, including proper feedback regarding warnings. He liked it enough to give me two lots of three months diamond. Said he would put it forward. Er, he isn't here now and no-one is addressing the problems.

cmn wasn't addressing the problems either. he spoke of the mods and their "problems" at such a superficial level, and when he recieved critiscism, he just made some snarky remark and moved on
problems are being addressed, just at a slow pace

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In the early Facebook days, moderation was entirely human and it was really good. You could actually trust them. Once my account was closed so I just sat tight and sure enough, I got an apology, saying my account had been hacked, the hacker had used abuse and the police of two countries had been involved. There was no problem in talking politics and in those days I was very influential. It was about China, Tibet and HK. They just reinstated everything and on we went.

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StandStarter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
crazedrat1000 wrote:

Yeah there's something wrong with the word filtration system, I made a post earlier with nothing remotely controversial in it and was warned about it. I still don't even know what the warning was for. 
If you're gonna have an automated banning system it needs to work well, give good feedback, and so on. Ideally it wouldn't be fully automated, either.

I was talking to a staff member about 3 years ago. I recommended some things, including proper feedback regarding warnings. He liked it enough to give me two lots of three months diamond. Said he would put it forward. Er, he isn't here now and no-one is addressing the problems.

cmn wasn't addressing the problems either. he spoke of the mods and their "problems" at such a superficial level, and when he recieved critiscism, he just made some snarky remark and moved on
problems are being addressed, just at a slow pace

That's possible. I would say he was definitely fishing for support.

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Optimissed wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
crazedrat1000 wrote:

Yeah there's something wrong with the word filtration system, I made a post earlier with nothing remotely controversial in it and was warned about it. I still don't even know what the warning was for. 
If you're gonna have an automated banning system it needs to work well, give good feedback, and so on. Ideally it wouldn't be fully automated, either.

I was talking to a staff member about 3 years ago. I recommended some things, including proper feedback regarding warnings. He liked it enough to give me two lots of three months diamond. Said he would put it forward. Er, he isn't here now and no-one is addressing the problems.

cmn wasn't addressing the problems either. he spoke of the mods and their "problems" at such a superficial level, and when he recieved critiscism, he just made some snarky remark and moved on
problems are being addressed, just at a slow pace

That's possible. I would say he was definitely fishing for support.

read #54 on this forum. it basically sums up what i think cmn was trying to do

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veryverystern wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

Well the big picture in the past 2 weeks is, veryverystern being idiotbox, and someone impersonating a titled player......I'm gonna get some popcorn.

You reported me multiple times and shared screenshots, yet I’m still not banned.

Maybe it's time to stop going around the forums accusing me of nonsense.

If chess.com muted you for trolling and personally attacking me, what would you say then? Because that’s exactly what you’re doing.

One of the problems here, which CMN was obliquely addressing, is that there are trolls here but some of them have friends. It's why I thought he may be genuine, since he was addressing things which are of concern.

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