This mostly happens with players below 1300s...When they make mistake they spam draw offers.... happens to me a LOT
I would NEVER do that. Ever. That's beyond the line of Chess etiquette. And remember, I am only a '900' on here (about an 1100 in real life).
It happens in OTB tournaments all the time when you're playing noobs. You see the same scenario all the time...some sub-1200 rated guy is down ridiculous amounts of material, is about to get mated, and offers a draw.
I never would have guessed that it would be done in real life. I figured that the preposterousness of the situation would deter people.
I do this all the time when I am in an obviously lost position. I offer a draw (humorously), then, after a few moments, resign. It is not intended to be an insult; it's just the last desparate tactic to use when all my other tactics have failed.
Yes, but do you offer a contextual '=)'? My opponents have usually offered stone silence which makes me think they're mostly serious (or their keyboards are broken).
I haven't experienced a draw offer from an actually completely losing position, as it portrayed in the original poster's description.
Due to the high volume of games I play at a time, I will offer a draw if the game gets to a point where it is obviously even( i.e. 2 rooks and 3 pawns apiece, with no positional advantage). Every time I have done this the draw offer was accepted, so my opponents obviously felt the same way. I never offer a draw if I am losing by the slightest amount, because I hate to lose and look for every opportunity to turn the tables. It would do a lot of good for those players taking the time offering draws to do the same.
It's really silly but a perfectly legal offer. Just ignore it.
I tested the draw offer in Live Chess and it's not instrusive at all. It's very well implemented. Is it more intrusive in the Correspondence Chess section? I don't think it should ever be a dialog where it demands an answer. It should just be a side note which you reject automatically by making a move.
"When you meet the unbelievers in the battelfield strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly"
"Do not falter or sue for peace when you have gained the upper hand"
Note to self: If offered an O.T.B. game by STARANDMOON, decline politely (then run).....
Does this happen often to others or is it behaviour that my opponents save up just for me? This has happened several times so far. I'll be playing a game and dishing out a sound beating to my opponent. After one too many blunders, I'll notice in my chat screen that my opponent has just offered a draw. This defys my sense of decency, but at the same time my soft side feels sorry for the person. (Yes, I know, I'm a pushover) I've taken the draw once or twice... and then felt rather stupid afterwards. When will I ever learn? This is chess! Be ruthless!!
Anyway... any care to share their experiences or thoughts about this?
My thoughts on the inital post:
I don't see the problem... Just decline the offer and win the game! Why not just say: "Sorry, but i believe this is a winning position for me so i'd like to see it through".
This is chess! Be ruthless!!
Anyway... any care to share their experiences or thoughts about this?
Ruthless is the only way to go : )
I get 2 types
1) the most common - seems to be people that are just learning and it seems that they don't know what a draw is about. I usually asked them if they know what a draw is for but i never give it. We are all learning and i appreciate those who are willling to help me so try and go out of my way to explain it to them.
2) These people should be boiled in their own fluids. These are the scam types who wait till you are down to your last seconds and they throw the draw @ you in hopes that it will confuse you. Recently, someone did it to me after I worked so hard to get to the endgame and he knew he had no chance - I was so frustrated when I realised I gave that chump the draw. I don't know how i agreed but i did. He laughed about his little trick that he uses all the time. It doesn't bother me too much to get beat but I hate when someone pulls some scam. the more experienced players should respect our pure game and resign. On one lame site (not chess.com) they would have a big notice splash over the chess board and that would really mess things up.
I am not offended by a beginner who asks for the draw but expect an experienced on to have the class to simply resign and say "GG". In either case, giving them the draw sends the wrong message about chess. It isn't such a bad thing to get beat but it is a BAD thing to act like a beachball when you do.
Best
I had a lot of experience on "offering draw" ..
Many cases I neglected this offert because I saw the way to win! If the way is not evident, I offer to play several movies more 5-7.. if no changes (and mistakes) draw agreed! ..
in many cases from the above, my opponent resigns after 10 moves.
Offering Draw.. when U loose on the table, it's a supplimantary procedure to fight and made your dream as true "victory!".. so, why not?! to use this gun.. "
Muro..
It can happen. Don't get freaked out--just say no! Ok, you're ahead, now make the moves that prove it.
I look forward to playing a game with you, you Enormous Gastropod, as I know now that I can appeal to your sensitive side and offer the draw if it looks like i'm gonna loose.
'If you had accepted my draw offer then, I would have accepted yours now.'
I like it. really made laugh, good story!
on the main thread ..well ....god loves a trier. however you don't have to
don't accept because you feel pressured to, only accept a draw if you think you can't win
I had someone offer me a draw when I was losing. I thought this to be very odd indeed. However, I did accept, being that I was the one losing. Other than that I don't offer draws...I lose with dignity...I think. On the other hand, if my opponent and I are in a position where "mate" isn't possible I would offer a draw. I have never been offended when someone offered draw...I'm not sure why anyone else would...the one receiving the draw can decline, and if the other person keeps offering just click "ignore."
Conditional moves are a great idea!
Although it was perhaps not completely mature of me, I had something of the reverse situation the other day.
The previous few moves of my opponent basically decimated me, and I was looking at the board and just preparing to resign, when he said something snarky and rude about beating me. So I offered a draw.
I resigned a few moves later, after reviewing my positions carefully before each move, while my time dwindled.
Perhaps just walking away from the game would have been better of me. But it irritated me enough that I took my sweet time doing so. :D
if the material were uneven.. it would seem somewhat rude to offer a draw.
I dont understand how anyone can consider it moral to cheat their way to a few extra rating points, i understand if its done as a joke but if your clearly going to loose, who cares, just loose. what makes it worse is that if your loosing to a player with a higher rating then by drawing you actually gain points. As far as im concerned the draw button has only been put there so that games where there is no check mate, can be ended or as a sign of good sportsmanship where both players have played a great game and niether have the advantage. Then again if your daft to accept it when your winning then you cant complain either, hehe.
It happens in OTB tournaments all the time when you're playing noobs. You see the same scenario all the time...some sub-1200 rated guy is down ridiculous amounts of material, is about to get mated, and offers a draw.
It's happened to me and I make it a point not to go over the game with them afterwards. Offering a draw like this is just as bad as making people rated 500 points higher than you play out to checkmate instead of just resigning.