Chess.com should have a dead position detector that will automatically end DRAWN games
Player trying to win on time in a dead draw position
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EndgameStudy escribió:
Chess.com should have a dead position detector that will automatically end DRAWN games
It does. Recently I played a game where both my opponent and me had only a lone king and it was automatically a draw.
Oct 25, 2017
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#24
Pulpofeira wrote:
EndgameStudy escribió:
Chess.com should have a dead position detector that will automatically end DRAWN games
It does. Recently I played a game where both my opponent and me had only a lone king and it was automatically a draw.
I don't think that applies to the 50 moves rule where you will have to claim the draw. Your example - well, there isn't really any other choice.
Dietmar escribió:
Pulpofeira wrote:
EndgameStudy escribió:
Chess.com should have a dead position detector that will automatically end DRAWN games
It does. Recently I played a game where both my opponent and me had only a lone king and it was automatically a draw.
I don't think that applies to the 50 moves rule where you will have to claim the draw. Your example - well, there isn't really any other choice.
Post 28 has made me to lose any hope, so it's all about sarcasm now.
Having kings left is insufficient mating material. Dead positions are a different story.
JayprakashKA wrote:
How do you force a draw in blitz game when the position is dead draw?
I was in a blitz game where both the players were left with one rook on board. No pawns and no other pieces other than the King and rook on each side. Now this is a dead-draw position and I should have been able to force a draw as per rules of tournament chess.
However my opponent kept playing because he had more time on clock. He declined my offer for draw. This was not fair. In any tournament, I would have invoked moderator intervention and forced a draw. How can I do that on Chess.com?
K+R vs K+R is not an a priori draw; it depends upon the skills of the players. Don't know what's unfair about continuing.
Pulpofeira wrote:
Dietmar escribió:
Pulpofeira wrote:
EndgameStudy escribió:
Chess.com should have a dead position detector that will automatically end DRAWN games
It does. Recently I played a game where both my opponent and me had only a lone king and it was automatically a draw.
I don't think that applies to the 50 moves rule where you will have to claim the draw. Your example - well, there isn't really any other choice.
Post 28 has made me to lose any hope, so it's all about sarcasm now.
That wasn't sarcasm. I meant that dead positions, which ARE DRAWS, not drawISH, should be immediately detected by the computer and declared a draw, the same way it detects insufficient material and repetition, it could detect dead positions. Would require more programming.
This is the difference between a drawISH position, and a DEAD position:
Drawish, but mate is still theoretically possible.
DRAWN. Checkmate isn't possible through any sequence of legal moves, despite their being sufficient mating material on the board.
Oct 26, 2017
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#30
@EndgameStudy:
I don't know whether you have ever run a business but it seems like the ROI on putting in the effort programming that is non-existent.
woton wrote:
Pfft, uscf rules of blitz call for insufficient mating material. And it's not like other apps haven't figured it out, because thats how they do it. Sounds like someone is too lazy to fix this and thinks it's easier to hide behind pedantics
Under FIDE Article 10.2b, a player may request ajudication before the flag falls and the arbiter shall declare a draw if "...it is not possible to win by normal means...," i.e., a forced checkmate is unlikely. Under current FIDE Blitz rules, 10.2b can be invoked if "there is adequate supervision," i.e., an arbiter is observing the game. (Non-blitz games do not require "adequate supervision")
In the Socko-Foisor game, the flag had fallen and the arbiter declared a draw because checkmate could not be forced. Under FIDE Article 6.9, which was the applicable rule, the game is drawn only if "...the opponent cannot checkmate the player's king by any possible series of legal moves..." (Forced checkmate is not a requirement). The arbiter's ruling was wrong, and was overturned.
Oct 27, 2017
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#32
cottonsock wrote:
Endgame Study looking at #35 those two board positions, the second board position is identical to the game that I’m now playing, and where my opponent refused my offer of a draw.
What are my options now with regards to claiming a draw , and if hit the Draw button, after 50 moves have been played , will this result in the game becoming a draw .
What are my options now with regards to claiming a draw , and if hit the Draw button, after 50 moves have been played , will this result in the game becoming a draw .
Make 50 moves then hit the "Draw" button. It will be automatically claimed.
i am in this situation now of someone who wants to play on with lone rooks vs King each. I think the arbiter should have discretion to interpret the rules and context. We are playing a 1 day a move time limit, too which makes this more annoying as this is not a question of a time blunder.
Jan 10, 2019
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#34
HighlanderII wrote:
i am in this situation now of someone who wants to play on with lone rooks vs King each. I think the arbiter should have discretion to interpret the rules and context. We are playing a 1 day a move time limit, too which makes this more annoying as this is not a question of a time blunder.
I don't know how you arbitrate an online game as this would require intervention by chess.com staff. It is certainly annoying but I would tell your player to pretend there is a position on the board worth continuing. After 50 moves of shuffling, claim the draw. Parallel to that, you could contact the admin of the other team to perhaps have a chat with his player.
thanks for this considered reply. Ironically the player was timed out themselves and lost. They should have taken the draw!
That is not a "Dead position" as mate is theoretically possible and skewers are more common than you think in those endgames. An actual theoretically drawn position and not "drawish" is this:
Nov 15, 2020
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#37
Most people I play in the 1500-1600 range won't accept a draw Rook on Rook. Even with lots of time left, they try to run out your clock. They are SO desperate for the W! They must win at all costs. Kinda sad if you ask me.
In these positions, it would be sufficient to just premove your king back and forth. But the issue is, premoves cost 0.1 seconds, so you need to have at least 5.1 secs to complete the game.
Mar 14, 2021
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#39
I thought to draw your opponent had to make replicate moves too? Not just one player?
isn't it the nature of bullet and blitz - inaccuracies, blunders, misclicks, mouse slips, diirty flagging etc. If you don't like that play rapid where you should have, but won't always have, sufficient time to draw by three position repetition or the 50 move rule.
Draws by repetition and the 50 move rule are automated see how do draws work on chess.com
It should. If no pawn moves or captures have been made.