Response from Caught Cheater - Worth Reading

cheating is wrong.

period.period.period.

but to wander off point...

but did anyone ever notice how computers play...differently than us people?

and since they can,ultimately kick our asses,it must be better?

I've played for decades.'Alway's had a computer to take with on vacation.

how many times,when there's a pin,do you push the rook pawn one square?

(I always mumble "decide") yet,my current box ignores it...

goes on piling on the pressure.

doubled pawns...evil to be avoided? or...

the box just ignores the pin,lets the doubling occur

,and slides a rook to knight 1!

so much that is contrary to years of thinking.

I'm just saying...

Handsome-bob: Computers do not have the foresight to see how these doubled pawns will disadvantage them later in the game. This is one of the trumps human players have over computers- we know what repercussions a move can have in the endgame, but computers don't, because they evaluate each position as though it's the first time they've ever played chess. (Opening phase excluded.)

A salacious apology isn't necessarily a genuine one.  Some here will say "give him the benefit of a doubt", but in my mind he gave that up when he betrayed our trust the first time.

 Rich you demonstrate that basic literacy is not a pre-requisite for being able to play chess, though it probably is to gain credibility or respect for your lowbrow posts.

Honestly, having played even GM-strength opposition and watching their moves, and seeing GM's play each other over the board, and then watching computers play chess, it is a different style.  Maybe you don't perceive it, but I do.  When I play a computer, it always has a different approach to chess than ANY human I have ever played...but that is just me, I guess.

1) Side points mentioned in posts 24 & 25, Kepler has gone, I thought his posts were ..., apparently he didn't even get the Kepler shift term.

2) Main thread, the other chap, a mod its stated, if not edited the text in post 1 for me reads as regrets built on excuses.

>:)

The only problem with accepting Anton back is that it causes a precedent and anyone may feel "safe" for breaking the rules after that ... still, apologies of this kind are hard to come by. Though he may have wronged, I do also think he deserves another chance. One he hasn't even asked for.

We learn from our mistakes, do we not? 

COME BACK LIZARD...

You guys are kidding aren't you?  How does this relate to this topic?

another one bites the dust!!

I guess the real tragedy here is that this guy was a really high profile member of the community who had touched a lot of people here in a personal way and made major contributions to the site.  So for those whose life he made a difference to, this is a much bigger trauma than the usual cheater execution.

Let's put it in perspective:  He cheated at chess;  he didn't swindle people out of their life savings or commit an act of violence. 

His punishment:   Being banned from playing chess or socializing with people *here*.  He can play chess elsewhere;  he can socialize with friends he made here elsewhere;  he can go about his life sadder, and hopefully wiser, but elsewhere.  The punishment seems appropriate for the crime.

Erik and his crew put a lot of thought into how they run this site.  I can see their point about having a zero-tolerance, one-strike-and-you're-out policy towards cheating:  it's clear, simple, easy to administer, and fair if applied to noble and peasant alike.  It's not like the offender didn't know what the consequences of his actions were.

Lastly, for the offender's supporters and friends:  I'm truly sorry for your loss.  And for the offender's detractors:  please remember this guy meant a lot to a lot of people here and they are really hurting in a way that transcends lost rating points, so please show the appropriate compassion, OK?

A quick look at his profile reveals that his rating "crashed" from 2400 to 1800 odd, was he trying to "get clean" do you reckon?

Anyway, it doesn't matter, the apology was heart felt and I for one like his sentiment. What I would suggest is that hope is given to him, and more like him, by offering a time limit to the ban. 

Life bans are pretty harsh, he's 22 and may be a whole different person in a few years (as would anyone). I'd suggest changing the ban period to a year or so, and offer that same period to all caught cheaters. 

If chess.com is still going in ten years (and I hope it is) it'd be pretty sad if Anton still couldn't join because of something he did 10 years previously.

Give him hope. (and extend the same courtesy to others)

 I completely agree. If he was allowed to stay, this would be akin to jailing a celebrity for 40-something minutes when a normal citizen would recieve years, right? At least on this site, justice prevails.

Have you checked if he would be willing to come back just for the chess community, not allowing him to play here anymore.

He's been here a lot of time, and I am sure he's been and he will be helpful...

I don't know, but maybe this could be an intermediate step for these situations in the future.

Chess.com allows the player to join, to post, to do everything but he can never play chess here again against any other players, nor join vote chess games... etc.

Probably, he/she will be a closer example to others on what might happen if they cheat.

Personally, I don't see any damage to anybody on this, and still find it positive.

LinwoodMike, no offense but you sound like you're 13

I don't know what to think...

And to chess_kebabs, do you personally know Anton? or just from chess.com?

I never once said anything about allowing that person back to chess.com.  That ultimately is that person, and Eriks call.  I said they should be forgiven.  Which i have done...

@cpawn

Well. What exactly do you mean a second chance?

A little clarity goes a long way.

When you say second chance in the context of this thread I interpret it as meaning allowed to stay/return whatever.

How else am I supposed to read it?

No one took his birthday away, so other than being allowed to return to chess.com I dont know what is meant by giving him a second chance.