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Rael

I personally don't see the point in commenting about other people's 20+ games. Obviously you won't change their minds, so how could you possibly benefit from posting in the thread?

Joking aside, Tony - here's the thing. A) there are tons of casual players for whom chess is a game, ie. fun diversion and not at all anything that they'll want to study to improve at (happy with just the education of playing). B) when I first joined the site I was doing 50+ games. It was such a rush. Even though my rating was like 1050 or something, it was like a high speed blitz simul (this was well before live chess was an option). I absolutely hated when, while cycling through my games, that I would ever end up being without one. If this ever happened, I'd grab another. Eventually you get a nice rolling cycle going.

It was fun. Play. Like a game, right?

Eventually I got frustrated with the enormous amount of blunders I was making and the fact my rating never really improved (I'd lose/win roughly equally playing other 1000's) and when 2008 rolled around I eventually began to cut down the number of games I play, and began to go back and look them over.

If I only played one game at a time, and then only made one move a day, I'm sure my rating would climb higher than it is now. But that's no fun at all, is it? Everyone settles in where they like to be. Isn't it nice that Erik et all that they made their site so it is customizable the way the users like?

I recently got my fellow Calgary friend Springs420 into the game. He's like me of old - 50+ games. Feel free to go ask him why he does it.


excalibur8

Fewer games for me means that I can concentrate more than having to feel rushed because of time.

Of course, not all share that view, but it suits me.


Ray_Brooks

Addenda:

Concerning the player that I alluded to in earlier posts.

1. After gaining a winning advantage in our game, I offered the fellow a draw (accepted), just to get him "off my books".

2. I noticed this evening that after building his games up to 1000+, he ran out of vacation. He has in the last couple of days defaulted nearly 70 games. If he doesn't log on tonight the default number will rise to more than 100. 

3. After a quick trawl of the upcoming tournaments I discovered that this player is still entering new tournaments, lots of them!

So I say again that this constitutes a selfish and uncaring approach to other members on this site. Anyone care to defend this joker now?


Ray_Brooks

Thought so.


lotsoblots
I agreed with you before, Ray, and I certainly agree with you now.  A TD option for a concurrent games cap sounds like a completely reasonable approach, especially considering the vacation premium loophole.  I also commend you for not losing your cool with the troll(s) throughout this thread.  That sort of restraint is unfortunately not common on many internet forums these days.
TheGrobe
Ray_Brooks wrote:

Erik,

any chance you venture an opinion or address some of the problems raised in this forum? How about a new restriction for TD's that caps the no. of games an entrant to a tournament may have running concurrently?


How about this:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/singificance-of-timeout--diluted


TheOldReb
I once had over 50 games going and found it to be too much ! I am retired and a chess fanatic ! I dont see how anyone can find the time to keep 500 games going and still have a life?! Maybe there should be tournies ONLY for those with 100, or more, games going?! Smile
Baseballfan
Ray_Brooks wrote:

Addenda:

Concerning the player that I alluded to in earlier posts.

1. After gaining a winning advantage in our game, I offered the fellow a draw (accepted), just to get him "off my books".

2. I noticed this evening that after building his games up to 1000+, he ran out of vacation. He has in the last couple of days defaulted nearly 70 games. If he doesn't log on tonight the default number will rise to more than 100. 

3. After a quick trawl of the upcoming tournaments I discovered that this player is still entering new tournaments, lots of them!

So I say again that this constitutes a selfish and uncaring approach to other members on this site. Anyone care to defend this joker now?


 I still don't see the issue, if he times out, he times out. If he resigns early, take the free ratings boost, what is the problem? Personally, I think the guy is perhaps a bit crazy for even attempting so many games, but... that's what he wants to do, and ultimately, he's only hurting himself.


phoenixNf3
i have 70 games which ain;t to bad
TheGrobe
Baseballfan wrote: Ray_Brooks wrote:

Addenda:

Concerning the player that I alluded to in earlier posts.

1. After gaining a winning advantage in our game, I offered the fellow a draw (accepted), just to get him "off my books".

2. I noticed this evening that after building his games up to 1000+, he ran out of vacation. He has in the last couple of days defaulted nearly 70 games. If he doesn't log on tonight the default number will rise to more than 100. 

3. After a quick trawl of the upcoming tournaments I discovered that this player is still entering new tournaments, lots of them!

So I say again that this constitutes a selfish and uncaring approach to other members on this site. Anyone care to defend this joker now?


 I still don't see the issue, if he times out, he times out. If he resigns early, take the free ratings boost, what is the problem? Personally, I think the guy is perhaps a bit crazy for even attempting so many games, but... that's what he wants to do, and ultimately, he's only hurting himself.


The trouble comes into paradise when you're playing a game with a preset time-limit and your opponent is perpetually on vacation because he's got time-out protection.

I typically play three-day-per-move games, and if my opponent takes every second of his three days for every move that's fine.  In fact, if my opponent goes into time-out protection a couple of times during the game and pushes that up to four days for one or two moves I'm OK with that as well.  It's when every response takes four or five days because they're constantly burning vacation that I take issue.  I know eventually their vacation will run out, but it's a question of having some consideration for your opponent's desire to play a particular time setting.  If you're constantly requiring five or six days to make a move, then don't play three day games, choose a seven day limit.

It's for this reason that I disagree that he's "only hurting himself".  It's inconsiderate to your opponent when you enter into a game on what amounts to false pretenses (i.e. that you will make your moves within the allotted, and agreed upon, time limit).


Ray_Brooks

Update:

It seems that I underestimated how many timeouts were due for our greedy friend, 284 have occured so-far with many more due, his rating dropping from 1750+ to a little over 1000. I rather suspect that his game of "being the first to play 1000+ games" is over and hopefully this has the following repercussions:

1. He is unable to play any more tournaments (I shall be informing relevent TD's of any tournament I wish to play in, and that he has entered).

2. Individuals also refuse to play the "Time-Out King".

3. So disheartened TOK leaves chess.com forever to plague some other poor unsuspecting chess players on another site (this time the game could be "first to 2000+ games").

 

Now I realise that some people will say "That Ray's a nasty so and so... something might have occured in TOK's life that meant he couln't play his games". I say "Balderdash and fiddle-faddle!". The fellow was struggling with 500 game and plenty of vacation and continued to start many new games each day. He must have seen his eventual fate and just didn't care one jot, not about any of us anyway. Good riddance and never darken my score-sheet again!


ozzie_c_cobblepot

L___B_______ (he who must not be named) has a goal of winning tourney points. I don't know why he has timed out so much, when I've spoken with him about his desire to be at the top of the leaderboard. I have 125 games right now, and I find it manageable. If I had as free a summer as he who must not be named, then I'm sure I could do 500 or more, but yes it would just turn into a blitz. The thing is, a small select number of games I end up doing analysis, bringing up the analysis board, and writing notes, but the other ones I just play. This is one reason that I'm looking forward to the game manager (or whatever it's called) so that I can make a list of "favorite" games, that I can later go over.

Given the desire this individual has to stay at the top of the leaderboard, it is certainly possible that there is a genuine emergency which has led to all the timeouts. I am not bothered by anything that has been posted, except for purposefully resigning games in the opening in order to qualify for a future tournament. I believe this happened to me one time as well.

More information for you to discuss.

-- Ozzie


Nytik
Can I just point out that premium members cant just ride their time-outs into infinity- I, for example, actually do go on holiday for a couple of weeks each year, and if I kept randomly time-outing I wouldnt have enough vacation time to keep my games- people cant keep holding up tournaments by weeks/months, because after they have to wait a year before they get their timeout time back.Smile
ADK

There should be an limit. I know of a few members who are in the 100's range!!!

ADK


onosson

If someone is taking too long... you can go start a new game?

 

It's just chess!! 


jay

Top 100 busiest chess players on Chess.com (number of in progress games):

 

"username","num_games"
"lordbobbetti",863
"syofyan",318
"AWARDCHESS",244
"willroya",199
"chess4david",165
"Templarknight_1",158
"JBAlman",145
"SeMastaa",142
"RathiDragon",131
"ozzie_c_cobblepot",124
"cheekychops0",104
"TheChessGym",101
"Oscar27",101
"johnglider22",93
"thegab03",91
"emerald",90
"vj1",86
"vampirelover",83
"ragaventhiran",83
"phoenixNf3",83
"angelor",82
"Hammers",80
"atlnlindsey",80
"dean_slo",80
"jjackson8",78
"camacho",78
"kwaymark",77
"tpo50030",77
"Ryuzaki_Lawliet",76
"jsk878",76
"chaleureux",75
"flying2828",75
"Presort",74
"fredster50",74
"Ellbert",73
"gramos9956",73
"oefoifvet",73
"tboner",72
"aoj025",71
"Harry07",70
"Fred1963",70
"saaket",69
"robert0978",69
"Nick_Chong",68
"O_Hawit",68
"Youdaman",67
"hatesE4",66
"alexy777",65
"zygnite",64
"kingrichard",63
"Ruperta11",63
"PinoEire",62
"norolah54",62
"purplenephilim",62
"phobias13",61
"chkm8t",61
"Queenie",61
"chessthebest",60
"Barben",59
"sasukekun",59
"rexknight",59
"JUDASGR",59
"jaller435718",59
"joaoporto",59
"shambo",57
"inspiredmind",57
"gjsgregskyplayer",56
"mehmetk",56
"KingBench",56
"Lextor",56
"Thotr2",56
"Knightly777",55
"ChicagoRE",55
"blacman",55
"ashiqmohammed",55
"RIZVI",54
"Manny-G",54
"Dutch_Defense",54
"Emanuel-57",54
"heisenbug",54
"ManUtdForever12",53
"imtheman",53
"saboegel",52
"munchkin",52
"ChekM8",52
"lostapiece",52
"vuttvutt",52
"Pelger",51
"vinzy33",51
"chess180",51
"jcamargos",51
"horsey",50
"Vance917",50
"ovERRot",50
"sassafrass",50
"Lizard87",50
"kaithgumbandva",50
"Buerk",50
"chess_leprechaun",49
"blitzberg",49


jay
We will consider adding something like this to the tournament settings, but there is already a pretty reasonable way to prevent people like this from joining your tournament. Tournament directors can specify the max time per move allowed for people to join their tournament. If they want a speedier tournament, they should be using this option. It will keep people out who have a tendency to prolong tournaments.
Ray_Brooks

Ozzie,

thanks for your input, it certainly answers a few questions. We now know the name of his game. Entry to any tournament is more important than any outcome, it would seem.

 

Jay,

thanks for succinct information... a much smaller problem than I had guessed.

 

Claypot,

I wholeheartedly apologise to you and your family (and all members) for any offence I may have caused. I'm a little hot-headed sometimes, and in lieu of a decent vocabulary, resort to unsavoury expletives. I'll be more careful in future to maintain the very highest standards of decorum. I do hope that we can put this episode behind us and that you can forgive me.


Kingfisher
It is not only hurting themselves. I once had the displeasure of playing one of this madmen and hated every move of it. Credits to him for not going on vacation and constantly timing out like a man, but the play was just horrible. Imagine getting free material on move 5, then with every next move getting more free material. Exactly. It's no fun! I eventually became so frustrated I actually considered resigning a clearly won game, but thoughed it out untill checkmate. This kind of behaviour just ruins the fun of playing...
Ray_Brooks
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