A Beginner Asks: Is This Winnable?

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dreamerduffer

soupram

as long as you don't blunder it is a draw

Nimzo-Sicilian

The game is hopelessly drawn, unless one side lets the pawn go undefended. 

Scottrf

Black would draw if he had the move even without his bishop and pawn.

pfren

The game is handshakable, even between two unreasonably bad players.

Per #7, if you give Black the move and remove Bc6 and Pa6 in return, it's still an elementary draw.

LePontMirabeau

Draw, whoever is on move.

jdcannon

As lepontmirabeau pointed out, even if black drops the pawn on a6 and drops his bishop, that game is still a draw as long as the black king can reach a8.

Scottrf
jdcannon wrote:

As Scottrf pointed out, even if black drops the pawn on a6 and drops his bishop, that game is still a draw as long as the black king can reach a8.

Fixed.

soothsayer8

Just park the bishops on b5 and b6 and nobody is going anywhere.

dreamerduffer

Thank you all for your answers and for the variety of ways you answered! This is how a forum should be. I'll be reading you and learning from you. [It was White to move; I thought the diagram would say that.]

soothsayer8

If it were a puzzle, it would say "white to move", but as a diagram, you have to state it yourself. Wouldn't matter in this particular one, though.

mrchess27

The original positional is winnable, but one side would need to blunder badly.

dreamerduffer

[To #14:>]Thanks. [To #15:>]I can imagine beginner players both holding out in hope that the other will stumble. I liked the black-k-runs-to-a8 ploy first mentioned in #9 post-- no room for more blunders and an end to it.

Scottrf

To expand, because I didn't really explain my comment.

If one player has an a or h pawn only, and the defending king can reach the promotion square, it's a draw. The pawn can't be promoted and if you alternate between the promotion square and an adjacent one eventually the only way to not keep repeating is to create stalemate.

An extension of this is that the same situation occurs when the attacking side has an a or h pawn and a bishop that is of the opposite colour of the promotion square. It's a draw in the same way.

EDB123

I believe that black has won if it is his move.

pfren
EDB123 wrote:

I believe that black has won if it is his move.

True, although he would still need to play ten moves in a row without white moving anything, to win. Tongue Out

EDB123

Oh, I didn't notice the bishops. That's why I shouldn't post at night.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Botvinnik's Law says no.  The bishop and pawn defend one another and even if the bishops were same color the other king is barred by your king.  Opposite colored bishops are notoriously drawish for a reason, especially when material is equal.  You need to have a strong initiative to have any chances of winning an opposite colored bishop ending.

EDB123

BS for its a draw.

Scottrf

Yeah if black only has 9 moves in a row it's a draw.